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Your absurd reductionism is so simple and nice. Shame it has no grounding in reality and only makes the whole shithole we live in worse. Sure, we can spew bs h

Your absurd reductionism is so simple and nice. Shame it has no grounding in reality and only makes the whole shithole we live in worse. Sure, we can spew bs how its racists misoginists haters and worst of all white men Or we could have a discussion about facts and issues People are tired of rampant "social justice" that is vindictive and spiteful People are tired of being called racists wholesale Clinton gave some random dude highest clearance, he stepped down right after the press found it out She took bribes not to declare tourism area dangerous even though she was advised to do so by pretty much everybody She is mixed in so many scandals, sure, Trump is a scumbag, but what was her message in the race? The worst possible identity politics - vote for me, otherwise you are racist deplorable trash. I MEAN WHAT

krapp 10y ago
Well, someone's jimmies are rustled. >Sure, we can spew bs how its racists misoginists haters and worst of all white men We can, as you apparently are, but I never did. I'm guessing this is where you try to set me up as some kind of SJW strawman, tell me what I really believe and then proceed to tear down the arguments I never actually made? >People are tired of rampant "social justice" that is vindictive and spiteful >People are tired of being called racists wholesale Sure, some people are. But Trump can't outlaw "social justice" and can't force people not to accept political correctness, so I have to ask, whether these complaints are relevant in the context of this particular discussion? >She is mixed in so many scandals, sure, Trump is a scumbag, but what was her message in the race? >The worst possible identity politics - vote for me, otherwise you are racist deplorable trash. That wasn't her message, and you probably know perfectly well that it wasn't. Your comment provides an example of exactly the reactionist ideology I was talking about. You want to discuss "facts and issues" but provide little more than an emotionally charged and intellectually vacant polemic, appealing to anti-left stereotypes and hyperbole. You accuse me of absurd reductionism while apparently blind to the degree to which you're engaging in it yourself, thereby proving my point.
- emp_zealoth 10y ago
  You see, I'm actually proper leftist. I'm from Europe and I laugh my ass off watching your failing healthcare, your nuclear student debt, your crime, the like I'm a proper leftist - I want taxes for the rich, singlepayer healthcare, free education, worker rights, real environment protection, etc etc I'm just outraged at what the fuck is happening. The "left" is so laughable that in Poland we have an upcoming dictator that just took over supreme court, is building a second, volounteer "defence army" that the ruling party just struck down regulation prohibiting it from being used against polish citizens and is on the record saying "we must hold onto power no matter what" You've got brexit, you've got Trump. In Sweden you got SD, France is looking more and more that Le Pen will win. And you know why? It's your own fault. The "left" is not able to deal in reality no more and it was busy alienating and radicalising the right The "clinton email" scandal you put into sweet quotation marks has emails that nicely explain it all as it was happening. She is THE "devil". She is the epitome of what's wrong with your politics. She is a sellout, she fucked Bernie with a giant cactus (A man who I was so rooting for). She is so despicable that she was unable to beat Trump, who you could tell after 15 minutes of the debate has no fucking clue. At least he looked genuine, he was uncomfortable and pissed during the debate I watched. She just pandered and pandered and slinged shit at him. Yes, my jimmies are rustled. Not because Trump won, I'm not happy Clinton lost, as it was pyrrhic victory. I'm pissed because the response (from the media) to the "end times" (as I see it) is more bullshit and idiocy, more "ZOMG RACISM, ZOMG WHITELASH" What the fuck?!
  - krapp 10y ago
    >The "clinton email" scandal you put into sweet quotation marks has emails that nicely explain it all as it was happening. I never actually put that into "sweet quotation marks." What you're describing is a systemic problem affecting both the right and the left in the US - each is alienating and radicalizing the other. >She is THE "devil". She is the epitome of what's wrong with your politics. She is a sellout, she fucked Bernie with a giant cactus (A man who I was so rooting for). She is so despicable that she was unable to beat Trump, who you could tell after 15 minutes of the debate has no fucking clue. The problem is that Hillary Clinton was the only possible choice out of two valid choices - I wanted to vote for Bernie but I didn't have the option because, among other reasons, the DNC decided a Jew wouldn't be able to carry the south. The problem is also that many Trump supporters don't seem to care that he has no clue. It's as if the right wing is Caligula and they elected a horse President just to see the look on the faces of the Washington elites when he takes a shit on the oval office floor. You want to talk about being disassociated from reality? I'm from a predominantly Republican and right-wing state that took the conspiracy theories about Jade Helm seriously enough that they mobilized the national guard just in case Obama really was massing globalist shock troops ready to take over the state and start killing Christians and patriots. I spent the entire election cycle listening to arguments about Hillary's kill count, how Hillary dealt arms to terrorists, how Hillary ran a child sex ring, how Hillary secretly had a brain disease, how Hillary kidnapped a guy and had him tied up in her basement, how Hillary engaged in macabre satanic rituals, how Hillary controlled the media, literally the entire media, but almost nothing about her actual policies and why they were wrong from a political point of view. No one is willing to concede that reasonable people can disagree anymore - that is the problem with our politics. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are just symptoms - the tumors, but not the cancer. The American left may be condescending and pandering but the American right has become utterly unhinged, and if Trump is really the best answer they can come up with to address their grievances then as far as I'm concerned they deserve to be marginalized.

krapp 10y ago

Well, someone's jimmies are rustled. >Sure, we can spew bs how its racists misoginists haters and worst of all white men We can, as you apparently are, but I never did. I'm guessing this is where you try to set me up as some kind of SJW strawman, tell me what I really believe and then proceed to tear down the arguments I never actually made? >People are tired of rampant "social justice" that is vindictive and spiteful >People are tired of being called racists wholesale Sure, some people are. But Trump can't outlaw "social justice" and can't force people not to accept political correctness, so I have to ask, whether these complaints are relevant in the context of this particular discussion? >She is mixed in so many scandals, sure, Trump is a scumbag, but what was her message in the race? >The worst possible identity politics - vote for me, otherwise you are racist deplorable trash. That wasn't her message, and you probably know perfectly well that it wasn't. Your comment provides an example of exactly the reactionist ideology I was talking about. You want to discuss "facts and issues" but provide little more than an emotionally charged and intellectually vacant polemic, appealing to anti-left stereotypes and hyperbole. You accuse me of absurd reductionism while apparently blind to the degree to which you're engaging in it yourself, thereby proving my point.

emp_zealoth 10y ago
You see, I'm actually proper leftist. I'm from Europe and I laugh my ass off watching your failing healthcare, your nuclear student debt, your crime, the like I'm a proper leftist - I want taxes for the rich, singlepayer healthcare, free education, worker rights, real environment protection, etc etc I'm just outraged at what the fuck is happening. The "left" is so laughable that in Poland we have an upcoming dictator that just took over supreme court, is building a second, volounteer "defence army" that the ruling party just struck down regulation prohibiting it from being used against polish citizens and is on the record saying "we must hold onto power no matter what" You've got brexit, you've got Trump. In Sweden you got SD, France is looking more and more that Le Pen will win. And you know why? It's your own fault. The "left" is not able to deal in reality no more and it was busy alienating and radicalising the right The "clinton email" scandal you put into sweet quotation marks has emails that nicely explain it all as it was happening. She is THE "devil". She is the epitome of what's wrong with your politics. She is a sellout, she fucked Bernie with a giant cactus (A man who I was so rooting for). She is so despicable that she was unable to beat Trump, who you could tell after 15 minutes of the debate has no fucking clue. At least he looked genuine, he was uncomfortable and pissed during the debate I watched. She just pandered and pandered and slinged shit at him. Yes, my jimmies are rustled. Not because Trump won, I'm not happy Clinton lost, as it was pyrrhic victory. I'm pissed because the response (from the media) to the "end times" (as I see it) is more bullshit and idiocy, more "ZOMG RACISM, ZOMG WHITELASH" What the fuck?!
- krapp 10y ago
  >The "clinton email" scandal you put into sweet quotation marks has emails that nicely explain it all as it was happening. I never actually put that into "sweet quotation marks." What you're describing is a systemic problem affecting both the right and the left in the US - each is alienating and radicalizing the other. >She is THE "devil". She is the epitome of what's wrong with your politics. She is a sellout, she fucked Bernie with a giant cactus (A man who I was so rooting for). She is so despicable that she was unable to beat Trump, who you could tell after 15 minutes of the debate has no fucking clue. The problem is that Hillary Clinton was the only possible choice out of two valid choices - I wanted to vote for Bernie but I didn't have the option because, among other reasons, the DNC decided a Jew wouldn't be able to carry the south. The problem is also that many Trump supporters don't seem to care that he has no clue. It's as if the right wing is Caligula and they elected a horse President just to see the look on the faces of the Washington elites when he takes a shit on the oval office floor. You want to talk about being disassociated from reality? I'm from a predominantly Republican and right-wing state that took the conspiracy theories about Jade Helm seriously enough that they mobilized the national guard just in case Obama really was massing globalist shock troops ready to take over the state and start killing Christians and patriots. I spent the entire election cycle listening to arguments about Hillary's kill count, how Hillary dealt arms to terrorists, how Hillary ran a child sex ring, how Hillary secretly had a brain disease, how Hillary kidnapped a guy and had him tied up in her basement, how Hillary engaged in macabre satanic rituals, how Hillary controlled the media, literally the entire media, but almost nothing about her actual policies and why they were wrong from a political point of view. No one is willing to concede that reasonable people can disagree anymore - that is the problem with our politics. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are just symptoms - the tumors, but not the cancer. The American left may be condescending and pandering but the American right has become utterly unhinged, and if Trump is really the best answer they can come up with to address their grievances then as far as I'm concerned they deserve to be marginalized.