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I used Solidworks a bit and I would definitely says it has this first stage UI. After maybe 1h of tutorials you are already designing your first parts that you

I used Solidworks a bit and I would definitely says it has this first stage UI. After maybe 1h of tutorials you are already designing your first parts that you can 3D print.

legodt 10y ago
Solidworks frustrates me because, as you describe, it is very easy to jump into and get moving, but once you start needing more advanced modelling or more intense surfacing, solidworks becomes an unwieldy beast of secret features and unintuitive workflows. There are many pros who scoff at this and just power through (like all things, solidworks is just a skill after all), but as a lower end user sometimes I just through my hands up and use a more intuitive modeller like rhino at the expense of solidworks powerful features such as the feature tree. The 20 grand per seat price tag doesn't help much either
floopidydoopidy 10y ago
Yeah, well that steep learning curve everyone is complaining about for blender is about an hour. After that, you'll probably be doing rigged animation. In my opinion, people associate cost with value. Something that's free MUST be worse than something that costs thousands of dollars.
- Pica_soO 10y ago
  As Microsoft demonstrated - if something is equal in power and free- the cost drops dramatically. Cant see that happen with Adobe CS or Autodesk 3dsMax. And its not a hour, even if you know other solutions. I guess in this sort of discussion, that is considered a defeat of the "opponent" - winning by him/her admitting in anecdata that he/she is stupid enough to take this or that longer to learn. Unfortunately feeling smart , doesn't help the cause of open source one iota. I always wondered, why some people get full zealot for open source? Does explaining the problems away, instead of building a user-friendly OS/ 3D editing Software, supplies some sort of elitist "invites only Treehouse" kick?
  - geoka9 10y ago
    I consider Blender much more user-friendly than Max, Softimage, Modo and ZBrush (to list the ones I've used). With Blender I found that I got frustrated a lot less because the work flows for the most tasks I did were streamlined and efficient.
    - astrodust 10y ago
      Blender does seem more internally consistent than other packages, especially Zbrush. The down-side is that most people don't appreciate this, instead they just bitch about right click to select and give up.
  - floopidydoopidy 10y ago
    You should give it a shot. I was rounding up, actually. There are YouTube tutorials that go from zero to animation in under 20 mins. That includes rigging. Or don't and just bitch about elitism. Up to you!
    - Pica_soO 10y ago
      Actually i have and gave up on it after 2 h. Like it or not, i fight for the users! Better to bitch about things that could change- then instead of bitching about ignorant users not adapting to once comandline User Interface for Ecell . Because you wont train everyone into a coder.
      - astrodust 10y ago
        Two whole hours? Do you still crawl around on all fours or did you ever take the time to learn to walk? 3D is hard. It's like learning to fly an aircraft in terms of complexity and no amount of UI tinkering will ever change that.
        Pica_soO 10y ago
        Is it? https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9778 https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9... Really? https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9916 https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9... I got into 3ds Max after one day. https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=9695 https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=9695 And now i just do things. https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9769 https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9... You know whats hard? Introspection. Hearing that your tool suck, and admitting they are right. The game i dev on sucks at the moment. And, if you said that, with specific advice on how to improve- you would get a thank you. https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=8796&sid=25d19a1e1404934a706eef52b8253d62 https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=8... Autodesk is horrific expensive. Do you think working a month a year for them, is fun? https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=8774&sid=28ad28d3470ce6ae0bf797b706dcbd5e https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=8... I contribute to open source- and thus i claim the right to criticize something that is botched. Deal with it. Trying all the angles, are we? If you are a beginner, you do not have enough experience to criticize the subject. If you are a expert, you are too dumb. If you are a coder and are fluent with the likes of emacs and vim - and dislike the gui, you are a evil cooperate guy. If you persist after that, you are bitching, as in arguing to argue. Such a thing as critical love, wanting to see something flourish - is not possible. The blindness of the likes of you - allows a whole industry of UX-Designers to exist. There i said it. People must get paid to work with the UX that get crafted by some programers into those "professional" tools.

I used Solidworks a bit and I would definitely says it has this first stage UI. After maybe 1h of tutorials you are already designing your first parts that you can 3D print.

legodt 10y ago

Solidworks frustrates me because, as you describe, it is very easy to jump into and get moving, but once you start needing more advanced modelling or more intense surfacing, solidworks becomes an unwieldy beast of secret features and unintuitive workflows. There are many pros who scoff at this and just power through (like all things, solidworks is just a skill after all), but as a lower end user sometimes I just through my hands up and use a more intuitive modeller like rhino at the expense of solidworks powerful features such as the feature tree. The 20 grand per seat price tag doesn't help much either

floopidydoopidy 10y ago

Yeah, well that steep learning curve everyone is complaining about for blender is about an hour. After that, you'll probably be doing rigged animation. In my opinion, people associate cost with value. Something that's free MUST be worse than something that costs thousands of dollars.

Pica_soO 10y ago
As Microsoft demonstrated - if something is equal in power and free- the cost drops dramatically. Cant see that happen with Adobe CS or Autodesk 3dsMax. And its not a hour, even if you know other solutions. I guess in this sort of discussion, that is considered a defeat of the "opponent" - winning by him/her admitting in anecdata that he/she is stupid enough to take this or that longer to learn. Unfortunately feeling smart , doesn't help the cause of open source one iota. I always wondered, why some people get full zealot for open source? Does explaining the problems away, instead of building a user-friendly OS/ 3D editing Software, supplies some sort of elitist "invites only Treehouse" kick?
- geoka9 10y ago
  I consider Blender much more user-friendly than Max, Softimage, Modo and ZBrush (to list the ones I've used). With Blender I found that I got frustrated a lot less because the work flows for the most tasks I did were streamlined and efficient.
  - astrodust 10y ago
    Blender does seem more internally consistent than other packages, especially Zbrush. The down-side is that most people don't appreciate this, instead they just bitch about right click to select and give up.
- floopidydoopidy 10y ago
  You should give it a shot. I was rounding up, actually. There are YouTube tutorials that go from zero to animation in under 20 mins. That includes rigging. Or don't and just bitch about elitism. Up to you!
  - Pica_soO 10y ago
    Actually i have and gave up on it after 2 h. Like it or not, i fight for the users! Better to bitch about things that could change- then instead of bitching about ignorant users not adapting to once comandline User Interface for Ecell . Because you wont train everyone into a coder.
    - astrodust 10y ago
      Two whole hours? Do you still crawl around on all fours or did you ever take the time to learn to walk? 3D is hard. It's like learning to fly an aircraft in terms of complexity and no amount of UI tinkering will ever change that.
      - Pica_soO 10y ago
        Is it? https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9778 https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9... Really? https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9916 https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9... I got into 3ds Max after one day. https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=9695 https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=9695 And now i just do things. https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9769 https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=9... You know whats hard? Introspection. Hearing that your tool suck, and admitting they are right. The game i dev on sucks at the moment. And, if you said that, with specific advice on how to improve- you would get a thank you. https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=8796&sid=25d19a1e1404934a706eef52b8253d62 https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=8... Autodesk is horrific expensive. Do you think working a month a year for them, is fun? https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=8774&sid=28ad28d3470ce6ae0bf797b706dcbd5e https://springrts.com/phpbb/download/file.php?mode=view&id=8... I contribute to open source- and thus i claim the right to criticize something that is botched. Deal with it. Trying all the angles, are we? If you are a beginner, you do not have enough experience to criticize the subject. If you are a expert, you are too dumb. If you are a coder and are fluent with the likes of emacs and vim - and dislike the gui, you are a evil cooperate guy. If you persist after that, you are bitching, as in arguing to argue. Such a thing as critical love, wanting to see something flourish - is not possible. The blindness of the likes of you - allows a whole industry of UX-Designers to exist. There i said it. People must get paid to work with the UX that get crafted by some programers into those "professional" tools.