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This is a graph of total global sea ice. The red line is this year

76 points by CarolineW 10y ago

avian 10y ago
Google image search found this post as the source of the graph: https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/article.html https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/article.html Edit: the post gives image credit to Wipneus from https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1457.msg94293.html#msg94293 https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1457.msg942...
- dharma1 10y ago
  here is the og source https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1457.1000.html https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1457.1000.h...
imafish 10y ago
Interesting how soon the discussion turned retard. So, somehow wind turbines should be at fault? Jesus.
- distances 10y ago
  I was left speechless. Probably one reason I don't participate on public non-moderated discussion boards.
- randomdata 10y ago
  The Twitter account that posted the image appears to discuss wind turbines frequently. It comes across as a jab at that, perhaps related to an inside joke between the two, rather than some commment based in what someone believes is reality. The thing about the internet is that every comment is assumed to be facetious/sarcastic unless otherwise specified.
  - pohl 10y ago
    It's probably a joke at the expense of people like Congressman Joe Barton from Texas, who famously said that wind was a finite resource and that harnessing it would cause the world to be warmer.
igravious 10y ago
Weather Underground analysis: https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/crazy-cryosphere-record-low-sea-ice-an-overheated-arctic-and-a-snow https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/crazy-cryosphe... “There are weather and climate records, and then there are truly exceptional events that leave all others in the dust. Such has been the case across Earth’s high latitudes during this last quarter of 2016, on track to be the planet’s warmest year on record. Sea ice extent and area have both plummeted to record lows for this time of year in both the Arctic and Antarctic. Such dramatic losses rarely occur at the same time, which means that the global total of sea ice coverage is phenomenally low for this time of year. The weirdness extends to midlatitudes: North America as well as the Arctic have been bathed in unusual mildness over the last several weeks, while Eurasia deals with a vast zone of above-average snowfall and below-average temperatures.”
qwertyuiop924 10y ago
Hmmm... What's a good word to describe my feelings on this? Oh, there it is: Fuck. We're fucked.
adwhit 10y ago
If only someone had warned us! We would have prevented this! Seriously though, interesting that climate change has been in the news a lot since Trump got elected. As if anything useful was being done beforehand. As if we previously had some kind of plan which was scuppered. There is no plan, there never was. And there is no hope.
- pohl 10y ago
  I don't disagree. But there was a plan, however inadequate: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement
forgetsusername 10y ago
I'm not a big follower of the climate change debate. So what exactly does this mean? I see a decent sized gap in a time-series that goes back 40 years. There were points during this year that had higher ice levels than other years. How bad is this? Why? Is it unprecedented?
- jfoutz 10y ago
  I wasn't aware there was a debate. > So what exactly does this mean? We get a northwest passage. [1] > How bad is this? Northwest passage is pretty sweet. > Why? faster shipping between east and west coast, not as far as going around south america. > Is it unprecedented? yes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage
glaberficken 10y ago
First question that came to my mind is how is this measured. I found the answer here: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/faq/#area_extent http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/faq/#area_extent Which begs the next question: Are there other independent measurements that confirm this?
tsaprailis 10y ago
a)Where are these data from? Why does this gentleman that defines himself as an environmentalist (possible conflict of interest?) not post the original source? I'm not saying these are false but it would be nice to know the source. The image reads NSIDC, where's the relevant link, and the relevant analysis from them? What's the chance of error? b)What does this mean? Will we get some super-storm or something similar? A graph without the scientific theory that leads to an explanation is just an opinion at best. Again I'm not trying to say that this is not happening but the way this is posted, to me seems to only grab attention, click-bait style.
- stinos 10y ago
  A graph without the scientific theory that leads to an explanation is just an opinion at best Erm, the graphs just shows facts, no? Whether there's an explanation already or not doesn't change anything about the observation. You are basically saying 'ok so an apple always falls down from a tree, but I cannot explain it, so it's just an opinion that it falls down instead of up' As for a): the data likely comes from http://nsidc.org http://nsidc.org
  - tsaprailis 10y ago
    No, because if you read the twitter post it says: "Something is very very wrong." Where is that derived from? What the scientific theory that predicts that such a drop in the global ice sheet is very wrong? I'm not saying that something could not be wrong, but giving a graph and claiming that something is wrong is not very scientific. For all we know this could be very wrong, mildy wrong, no wrong, good etc EDIT: For a) I took a quick look at the site but couldn't locate the graph. Again I'm not saying it's falsified, but pointing to the original source is always nice. If nothing more we could get some additional details.
    - stinos 10y ago
      Ah I missed the part where it says 'something is very wrong'. Yes that makes not much sense (or is very vague), based on just this graph. I think the nsidc site just provides raw data, creating graphs is up to the downloader of the data
glaberficken 10y ago
Better source about the same phenomena (from 2nd Nov 2016): http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2016/11/sluggish-ice-growth-in-the-arctic/ http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2016/11/sluggish-ice-growt... Key points: - Analyses only the Arctic (as seems to be best practice) - Provides context by analyzing sea surface temperatures and atmospheric circulation
hanoz 10y ago
Is there any lag in accurate measurement? What did the graph look like this time last year?

76 points by CarolineW 10y ago

avian 10y ago

Google image search found this post as the source of the graph: https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/article.html https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/article.html Edit: the post gives image credit to Wipneus from https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1457.msg94293.html#msg94293 https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1457.msg942...

dharma1 10y ago
here is the og source https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1457.1000.html https://forum.arctic-sea-ice.net/index.php/topic,1457.1000.h...

imafish 10y ago

Interesting how soon the discussion turned retard. So, somehow wind turbines should be at fault? Jesus.

distances 10y ago
I was left speechless. Probably one reason I don't participate on public non-moderated discussion boards.
randomdata 10y ago
The Twitter account that posted the image appears to discuss wind turbines frequently. It comes across as a jab at that, perhaps related to an inside joke between the two, rather than some commment based in what someone believes is reality. The thing about the internet is that every comment is assumed to be facetious/sarcastic unless otherwise specified.
- pohl 10y ago
  It's probably a joke at the expense of people like Congressman Joe Barton from Texas, who famously said that wind was a finite resource and that harnessing it would cause the world to be warmer.

igravious 10y ago

Weather Underground analysis: https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/crazy-cryosphere-record-low-sea-ice-an-overheated-arctic-and-a-snow https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/crazy-cryosphe... “There are weather and climate records, and then there are truly exceptional events that leave all others in the dust. Such has been the case across Earth’s high latitudes during this last quarter of 2016, on track to be the planet’s warmest year on record. Sea ice extent and area have both plummeted to record lows for this time of year in both the Arctic and Antarctic. Such dramatic losses rarely occur at the same time, which means that the global total of sea ice coverage is phenomenally low for this time of year. The weirdness extends to midlatitudes: North America as well as the Arctic have been bathed in unusual mildness over the last several weeks, while Eurasia deals with a vast zone of above-average snowfall and below-average temperatures.”

qwertyuiop924 10y ago

Hmmm... What's a good word to describe my feelings on this? Oh, there it is: Fuck. We're fucked.

adwhit 10y ago

If only someone had warned us! We would have prevented this! Seriously though, interesting that climate change has been in the news a lot since Trump got elected. As if anything useful was being done beforehand. As if we previously had some kind of plan which was scuppered. There is no plan, there never was. And there is no hope.

pohl 10y ago
I don't disagree. But there was a plan, however inadequate: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Agreement

forgetsusername 10y ago

I'm not a big follower of the climate change debate. So what exactly does this mean? I see a decent sized gap in a time-series that goes back 40 years. There were points during this year that had higher ice levels than other years. How bad is this? Why? Is it unprecedented?

jfoutz 10y ago
I wasn't aware there was a debate. > So what exactly does this mean? We get a northwest passage. [1] > How bad is this? Northwest passage is pretty sweet. > Why? faster shipping between east and west coast, not as far as going around south america. > Is it unprecedented? yes. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Passage

glaberficken 10y ago

First question that came to my mind is how is this measured. I found the answer here: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/faq/#area_extent http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/faq/#area_extent Which begs the next question: Are there other independent measurements that confirm this?

tsaprailis 10y ago

a)Where are these data from? Why does this gentleman that defines himself as an environmentalist (possible conflict of interest?) not post the original source? I'm not saying these are false but it would be nice to know the source. The image reads NSIDC, where's the relevant link, and the relevant analysis from them? What's the chance of error? b)What does this mean? Will we get some super-storm or something similar? A graph without the scientific theory that leads to an explanation is just an opinion at best. Again I'm not trying to say that this is not happening but the way this is posted, to me seems to only grab attention, click-bait style.

stinos 10y ago
A graph without the scientific theory that leads to an explanation is just an opinion at best Erm, the graphs just shows facts, no? Whether there's an explanation already or not doesn't change anything about the observation. You are basically saying 'ok so an apple always falls down from a tree, but I cannot explain it, so it's just an opinion that it falls down instead of up' As for a): the data likely comes from http://nsidc.org http://nsidc.org
- tsaprailis 10y ago
  No, because if you read the twitter post it says: "Something is very very wrong." Where is that derived from? What the scientific theory that predicts that such a drop in the global ice sheet is very wrong? I'm not saying that something could not be wrong, but giving a graph and claiming that something is wrong is not very scientific. For all we know this could be very wrong, mildy wrong, no wrong, good etc EDIT: For a) I took a quick look at the site but couldn't locate the graph. Again I'm not saying it's falsified, but pointing to the original source is always nice. If nothing more we could get some additional details.
  - stinos 10y ago
    Ah I missed the part where it says 'something is very wrong'. Yes that makes not much sense (or is very vague), based on just this graph. I think the nsidc site just provides raw data, creating graphs is up to the downloader of the data

glaberficken 10y ago

Better source about the same phenomena (from 2nd Nov 2016): http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2016/11/sluggish-ice-growth-in-the-arctic/ http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2016/11/sluggish-ice-growt... Key points: - Analyses only the Arctic (as seems to be best practice) - Provides context by analyzing sea surface temperatures and atmospheric circulation

hanoz 10y ago

Is there any lag in accurate measurement? What did the graph look like this time last year?