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We will take anyone as long as their IQ and capabilities are off the scale (as the two ladies in question) probably won't result in the kind of diversity that t
by venomsnake 10y ago
We will take anyone as long as their IQ and capabilities are off the scale (as the two ladies in question) probably won't result in the kind of diversity that the diversity people would appreciate. They (diversity advocates) have been fighting against the SV meritocracy in the last couple of years.
- dkarapetyan 10y agoIQ isn't an inherent or even a constant quality. It is a function of many factors. I agree that Hamilton and Hopper are exceptional and extraordinary but they also worked in exceptional and extraordinary circumstances.
- lucio 10y agoQuestion: Did u knew that there will be downvotes, but post-it anyway? Or you didn't expect the downvotes? I'm asking because I'm curious about the impact of the "politically correct" culture and its effects.
- venomsnake 10y agoWith HN lately it is a coin toss whether a statement will be downvoted or upvoted when talking about diversity. It seems that there is split - depends on who is awake what the reaction will be. Anyway - I never did or intend to do karma whoring. While I tend to rarely post pure troll statements, I do hold views that can be controversial. So when I have something to say I say it.
- sangnoir 10y agoWhy should you worry about imaginary Internet points? If your opinion can stand in it's own no matter how controversial, post it. Being civil isn't being "politically incorrect" online or offline. If you say something that might get you punched in the face (literally or metaphorically), don't be surprised when you do get punched in the face.
- lucio 10y agosomebody else punching you in the face does not means your comment is uncivil. I'm guessing, but two centuries ago you could be punched in the face for opposing slavery. You cannot measure and argument by how offended others get when they contemplate it.
- sangnoir 10y ago> somebody else punching you in the face does not means your comment is uncivil I never made this argument - you seem to have skipped my first paragraph entirely. I'm all for sharing controversial opinions that have merit and in a manner that is not dickish.
- davidcbc 10y agoWhy wouldn't taking anyone intelligent and capable result in more diversity? Are you claiming white males are somehow inherently more capable and intelligent?
- venomsnake 10y agoThe people that are couple of sigmas more talented than the average are unique enough. They are category of their own. So using them as pro-diversity argument is just not working. Because any person with the Turing's level of talent is already employed, no matter what other identities may posses. Brilliance overrides everything else. The problem is that outside the likes of Srinivasa Ramanujan people need a hell lot of education to become the best. And unlike innate talent education is not equally distributed in society. So the pool is very skewed.
- shaftoe 10y agoSo, improve equality of access to education. We already have multiple top computer science programs publishing their courses online for all for free. So, lower the barrier to getting started and learning from hands on experience. Github and other sites host code, discussions, and documentation for more projects than a lifetime of hacking could touch. No one knows who you are behind a handle. You seem like one of those people who thinks that quotas will magically improve companies, diversity, and people's lives. You are falling victim to the soft bigotry of reduced expectations. This isn't fair, particularly to the groups in question.
- venomsnake 10y agoI am staunchly against quotas and affirmative action. And supporter of pure merit hiring - not even culture fit. Just expertise. This does not mean that this approach did not yield something that the current crop of diversity thinkers strongly dislikes.