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You're right, career progression is entirely every person for themselves. The trick is to get management to agree to be your ally.

jdavis703 10y ago
Or to find a place where your goals and a mangers goals are aligned. I've worked at places where I knew I'd never get a promotion from my manager due to bad blood.
Annatar 10y ago
A manager's manager will never fully agree, especially if one is a good and valuable worker: by enabling one to progress in one's career, it opens up the possibility to lose that worker. How will the manager be able to get things done and report success to their boss, if all the good people are gone? The entire system is ill, seriously ill. The entire hierarchichal model is failing, as is evident by the state of the world and the state in most large, publically traded corporations.
- vvvv 10y ago
  You're assuming your manager is static and doesn't want to progress. Make your boss look good and you both might get ahead together.
  - Annatar 10y ago
    I'm not assuming anything, merely stating my observations (studying them is one of my hobbies).
    - anon73959372 10y ago
      Well, theoretically you could be in a junior role that requires lots of manual functions. You could work with your manager and perhaps one other coworker, start from the bottom, and automate or seriously increase the efficiency of doing the task. The skills and business knowledge, as well as internal political connections, that you gained from doing that can then be leveraged during the increased amount of time you have to take on bigger and better projects while still maintaining your daily functions. By the time talks about promotions or new roles come up, you could argue that it's impossible to fuck up the daily tasks you'll be handing off because you made them so easy to maintain and/or repair. Your bosses boss will see the work is being done better than before and they have to bring on less headcount than they would before, plus in theory you would still to help keep an eye on the role you'll be handing off. So now things are being done more efficiently, your experience doing that has led you to propose bigger and better projects that accomplish the same thing.
- qznc 10y ago
  > How will the manager be able to get things done and report success to their boss, if all the good people are gone? Eventually all people are gone. Would be good to know when, so you can plan ahead.
- BeetleB 10y ago
  > by enabling one to progress in one's career, it opens up the possibility to lose that worker. The manager will have to choose between losing you within the company, or have you work for a competitor. In some companies, he/she may also have to deal with your reasons for leaving.

jdavis703 10y ago

Or to find a place where your goals and a mangers goals are aligned. I've worked at places where I knew I'd never get a promotion from my manager due to bad blood.

Annatar 10y ago

A manager's manager will never fully agree, especially if one is a good and valuable worker: by enabling one to progress in one's career, it opens up the possibility to lose that worker. How will the manager be able to get things done and report success to their boss, if all the good people are gone? The entire system is ill, seriously ill. The entire hierarchichal model is failing, as is evident by the state of the world and the state in most large, publically traded corporations.

vvvv 10y ago
You're assuming your manager is static and doesn't want to progress. Make your boss look good and you both might get ahead together.
- Annatar 10y ago
  I'm not assuming anything, merely stating my observations (studying them is one of my hobbies).
  - anon73959372 10y ago
    Well, theoretically you could be in a junior role that requires lots of manual functions. You could work with your manager and perhaps one other coworker, start from the bottom, and automate or seriously increase the efficiency of doing the task. The skills and business knowledge, as well as internal political connections, that you gained from doing that can then be leveraged during the increased amount of time you have to take on bigger and better projects while still maintaining your daily functions. By the time talks about promotions or new roles come up, you could argue that it's impossible to fuck up the daily tasks you'll be handing off because you made them so easy to maintain and/or repair. Your bosses boss will see the work is being done better than before and they have to bring on less headcount than they would before, plus in theory you would still to help keep an eye on the role you'll be handing off. So now things are being done more efficiently, your experience doing that has led you to propose bigger and better projects that accomplish the same thing.
qznc 10y ago
> How will the manager be able to get things done and report success to their boss, if all the good people are gone? Eventually all people are gone. Would be good to know when, so you can plan ahead.
BeetleB 10y ago
> by enabling one to progress in one's career, it opens up the possibility to lose that worker. The manager will have to choose between losing you within the company, or have you work for a competitor. In some companies, he/she may also have to deal with your reasons for leaving.