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> If you actually put in the required effort and make it a full time job you can make money, > if you dick around then you won't. This is literally "If you wo

by dvtv75 10y ago

> If you actually put in the required effort and make it a full time job you can make money, > if you dick around then you won't. This is literally "If you work hard you will be rewarded." Unfortunately, that's ideology rather than fact.

zlynx 10y ago
Possibly. However, the reverse is much more true. "If you don't work hard, you will not be rewarded." If you want any chance at all then you have to put in the work. For every Lindsey Sterling there's thousands of people playing violin, badly, in their sweatpants with a Mt. Dew in the background.
- intended 10y ago
  I beg to differ. 1) there's the illustration of people ignoring a world Class violinist playing on the subway when dressed as a busker 2) there's a lot of superlative, good and very good art out there today. It means art is cheap. 3) art like sports has a log distribution of wealth and success. Only a very small minority of people will make money out of it, and a handful of people will make good money out of it. Even if you work extremely hard and constantly. Take a look at the number of profiles of people on deviant art and the quality of work being put out, and then the prices and amount of money made. It's the same for music.
  - goodcanadian 10y ago
    1) there's the illustration of people ignoring a world Class violinist playing on the subway when dressed as a busker I hate to see this brought up over and over. There is a great contextual difference between a concert hall and a subway station. People go to the concert hall to hear music. People go to the subway to get to work. It is not that they don't recognise the quality of the music; they are simply not paying attention to the music at all. Even if they do notice the music and notice that it is unusually good, they are still not all that likely to stop. They have a train to catch and things to do. Why is it surprising that people would ignore a busker in the subway no matter how good they are?
    - intended 10y ago
      That is the point. You could be a world class painter at the pinnacle of your style, and it guarantees nothing. If you are unlucky or competing with people more topical/niche than you, it won't matter in the least if you are technically better but they can out market/sell you.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  > "If you don't work hard, you will not be rewarded." Not always true. Past a certain level of wealth you can make money by doing pretty much nothing, e.g. paying other people to invest your money in safe investments on the stock market.
gozur88 10y ago
It's pretty close to being fact for youtube.
dogma1138 10y ago
That's not really ideology that's the basic requirement, you can't get "rich" or even get basic income from anything unless you put the required time and effort into it. Do people still fail, sure, do most of them fail maybe, but again for what reason? Same can be said for anything e.g. opening a coffee shop, if you expect to be in the green after 3 months you probably haven't done your research properly. You can still fail for many reasons, but at the minimum you need to have a plan and see it through and most people do manage to make a living out of it since a lot of people are self employed and aren't on the street.

by dvtv75 10y ago

zlynx 10y ago

Possibly. However, the reverse is much more true. "If you don't work hard, you will not be rewarded." If you want any chance at all then you have to put in the work. For every Lindsey Sterling there's thousands of people playing violin, badly, in their sweatpants with a Mt. Dew in the background.

intended 10y ago
I beg to differ. 1) there's the illustration of people ignoring a world Class violinist playing on the subway when dressed as a busker 2) there's a lot of superlative, good and very good art out there today. It means art is cheap. 3) art like sports has a log distribution of wealth and success. Only a very small minority of people will make money out of it, and a handful of people will make good money out of it. Even if you work extremely hard and constantly. Take a look at the number of profiles of people on deviant art and the quality of work being put out, and then the prices and amount of money made. It's the same for music.
- goodcanadian 10y ago
  1) there's the illustration of people ignoring a world Class violinist playing on the subway when dressed as a busker I hate to see this brought up over and over. There is a great contextual difference between a concert hall and a subway station. People go to the concert hall to hear music. People go to the subway to get to work. It is not that they don't recognise the quality of the music; they are simply not paying attention to the music at all. Even if they do notice the music and notice that it is unusually good, they are still not all that likely to stop. They have a train to catch and things to do. Why is it surprising that people would ignore a busker in the subway no matter how good they are?
  - intended 10y ago
    That is the point. You could be a world class painter at the pinnacle of your style, and it guarantees nothing. If you are unlucky or competing with people more topical/niche than you, it won't matter in the least if you are technically better but they can out market/sell you.
ZenoArrow 10y ago
> "If you don't work hard, you will not be rewarded." Not always true. Past a certain level of wealth you can make money by doing pretty much nothing, e.g. paying other people to invest your money in safe investments on the stock market.

gozur88 10y ago

It's pretty close to being fact for youtube.

dogma1138 10y ago

That's not really ideology that's the basic requirement, you can't get "rich" or even get basic income from anything unless you put the required time and effort into it. Do people still fail, sure, do most of them fail maybe, but again for what reason? Same can be said for anything e.g. opening a coffee shop, if you expect to be in the green after 3 months you probably haven't done your research properly. You can still fail for many reasons, but at the minimum you need to have a plan and see it through and most people do manage to make a living out of it since a lot of people are self employed and aren't on the street.