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The artic is 36 degrees F warmer than normal

17 points by edejong 10y ago

return0 10y ago
And what about the -36F drops in siberia!
- napsterbr 10y ago
  It's just as bad. It's not about warming itself, but drastic climate changes. Both changes are really really bad for the environment and ecosystem.
  - exclusiv 10y ago
    Tell that to the sun, which is 99.9% of the mass of the solar system.
    - grzm 10y ago
      What do you mean? Maybe I need another cup of coffee.
      - exclusiv 10y ago
        Haha probably me too. :) I agree that drastic changes are bad for the environment, but the sun doesn't care and it's basically our entire universe. From the article's intro: "As the Arctic settles into polar night, scientists are noticing that something has gone horribly wrong." What's horribly wrong? Would scientists say a volcano is horribly wrong because it's rumbling? The climate is always changing and we have a very short history of data. I just keep seeing these types of articles which are supposed to be scientific. Scientists are making observations but that's it. It's always the first step. These scientists are glorified weathermen. I don't see anything about what's going on with the sun or the moon which I find disturbing.
        grzm 10y ago
        Yeah, "wrong" is definitely anthropocentric. Then again, I'm biased :)
        Oletros 10y ago
        > The climate is always changing and we have a very short history of data. > These scientists are glorified weathermen > I don't see anything about what's going on with the sun or the moon which I find disturbing. Three of the most wrong arguments done by deniers
        exclusiv 10y ago
        I'm not denying the climate changes. Please show me the reports that include data on solar and lunar activity. Extremely few and far between and you know it.
        majewsky 10y ago
        > The climate is always changing and we have a very short history of data. At least 20000 years, visualized nicely at https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
edejong 10y ago
The Washington Post has a more in-depth article [1]. The map projection is more appropriate as well. (Mercator for a representation of the polar region...) [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/17/the-north-pole-is-an-insane-36-degrees-warmer-than-normal-as-winter-descends/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.44245e4b4b13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/20...
- sctb 10y ago
  Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12981650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12981650
hliyan 10y ago
Very worrying, I hope we're not heading for runaway warming: one freak winter with less ice cover -> more solar radiation absorbed -> more melting -> even less ice cover next winter...

17 points by edejong 10y ago

return0 10y ago

And what about the -36F drops in siberia!

napsterbr 10y ago
It's just as bad. It's not about warming itself, but drastic climate changes. Both changes are really really bad for the environment and ecosystem.
- exclusiv 10y ago
  Tell that to the sun, which is 99.9% of the mass of the solar system.
  - grzm 10y ago
    What do you mean? Maybe I need another cup of coffee.
    - exclusiv 10y ago
      Haha probably me too. :) I agree that drastic changes are bad for the environment, but the sun doesn't care and it's basically our entire universe. From the article's intro: "As the Arctic settles into polar night, scientists are noticing that something has gone horribly wrong." What's horribly wrong? Would scientists say a volcano is horribly wrong because it's rumbling? The climate is always changing and we have a very short history of data. I just keep seeing these types of articles which are supposed to be scientific. Scientists are making observations but that's it. It's always the first step. These scientists are glorified weathermen. I don't see anything about what's going on with the sun or the moon which I find disturbing.
      - grzm 10y ago
        Yeah, "wrong" is definitely anthropocentric. Then again, I'm biased :)
      - Oletros 10y ago
        > The climate is always changing and we have a very short history of data. > These scientists are glorified weathermen > I don't see anything about what's going on with the sun or the moon which I find disturbing. Three of the most wrong arguments done by deniers
        exclusiv 10y ago
        I'm not denying the climate changes. Please show me the reports that include data on solar and lunar activity. Extremely few and far between and you know it.
      - majewsky 10y ago
        > The climate is always changing and we have a very short history of data. At least 20000 years, visualized nicely at https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/

edejong 10y ago

The Washington Post has a more in-depth article [1]. The map projection is more appropriate as well. (Mercator for a representation of the polar region...) [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/11/17/the-north-pole-is-an-insane-36-degrees-warmer-than-normal-as-winter-descends/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.44245e4b4b13 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/20...

sctb 10y ago
Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12981650 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12981650

hliyan 10y ago

Very worrying, I hope we're not heading for runaway warming: one freak winter with less ice cover -> more solar radiation absorbed -> more melting -> even less ice cover next winter...