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I guess this is a conspiracy theory... But I've actually come around to the belief that Snowden has always worked for the CIA. This was a turf war job by the C

I guess this is a conspiracy theory... But I've actually come around to the belief that Snowden has always worked for the CIA. This was a turf war job by the CIA against the NSA that had the bonus effect of striking fear into the world's internet users. Ed worked for the CIA before NSA and there are some interesting ties between Glen Greenwald and US's sponsored propaganda services. If you are interested in diving into this pool of mystery, Dave Emory's radio program, this episode for example, is a good start. http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-924-technocratic-fascism-the-high-profile-hacks-and-the-obverse-oswald-update-on-the-adventures-of-eddie-the-friendly-spook/ http://spitfirelist.com/for-the-record/ftr-924-technocratic-...

dogma1138 10y ago
So in your mind the CIA would implant a mole that would literally steal the NSA's playbook and 100,000's of documents, set of to China, then find and asylum in Russia and keep the most damning documents under a kill switch? The NSA is already bigger than the CIA, it kinda always was, regardless of what the CIA thinks about it they would not cause irreversible damage to US national security and potentially hand Russia enough material to push their SIGINT and Cyber capabilities forward by at least a decade. By all accounts Snowden has a considerably higher chance of being a Russian mole than a CIA agent.
- flycaliguy 10y ago
  Thanks for the reply. I'm new to spy stuff and I'm perhaps to open to kooky theories. I guess my thinking is that the CIA has generations of international manipulation under it's belt and the NSA has become a rising star in the internet era. It seems to me that the NSA would start stumbling into some pretty shady CIA business, stuff that the CIA would rather keep to itself.
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Intelligence agencies might be "shady" but they still tend to work for the interests of the country. Regardless on what ego trip you think they are on they aren't going to jeopardise US national security to settle a score with an organization which is 10-20 times their size just because the cold war is over. It's like saying that the CIA doesn't like the fact that most VISINT is now run by the NRO so they'll blow up satellite launches this is pretty absurd. The funny part is that the CIA has a cyber program also, and it's pretty advanced by all accounts the kinetic payload for Stuxnet and a few other cyber attacks in which the US took part off or lead on it's own came from the CIA not the NSA.

dogma1138 10y ago

So in your mind the CIA would implant a mole that would literally steal the NSA's playbook and 100,000's of documents, set of to China, then find and asylum in Russia and keep the most damning documents under a kill switch? The NSA is already bigger than the CIA, it kinda always was, regardless of what the CIA thinks about it they would not cause irreversible damage to US national security and potentially hand Russia enough material to push their SIGINT and Cyber capabilities forward by at least a decade. By all accounts Snowden has a considerably higher chance of being a Russian mole than a CIA agent.

flycaliguy 10y ago
Thanks for the reply. I'm new to spy stuff and I'm perhaps to open to kooky theories. I guess my thinking is that the CIA has generations of international manipulation under it's belt and the NSA has become a rising star in the internet era. It seems to me that the NSA would start stumbling into some pretty shady CIA business, stuff that the CIA would rather keep to itself.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Intelligence agencies might be "shady" but they still tend to work for the interests of the country. Regardless on what ego trip you think they are on they aren't going to jeopardise US national security to settle a score with an organization which is 10-20 times their size just because the cold war is over. It's like saying that the CIA doesn't like the fact that most VISINT is now run by the NRO so they'll blow up satellite launches this is pretty absurd. The funny part is that the CIA has a cyber program also, and it's pretty advanced by all accounts the kinetic payload for Stuxnet and a few other cyber attacks in which the US took part off or lead on it's own came from the CIA not the NSA.