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> ...I believe you will find from legal precedent it has been used almost exclusively to address mistreatment of people of color. So what? The spirit and the l

> ...I believe you will find from legal precedent it has been used almost exclusively to address mistreatment of people of color. So what? The spirit and the letter of the law are what matters. Not what the system uses it for. That's like saying that because civil forfeiture has been used for a certain purpose, it must be the correct purpose! Is that what you're saying? > White folks so rarely experience racism... Oh, well thank you once again for speaking on behalf of every single person in one racial group! I'm not sure you know what racism means. It's the belief that all members of a given race have certain characteristics or abilities specific to that race (especially where it shows inferiority/superiority relative to other races). Given that (correct) definition, do you really think white folks don't experience racism in any way? Tell me, what characteristics or abilities are ascribed to white people that supposedly makes them superior? Also, have you never heard a black or latin comedian making fun of supposed white characteristics that make them seem "uncool", "nerdy" or "not hip"? Look....it's obvious that you don't know what you're talking about. You're just flinging accusations about.

SwellJoe 10y ago
Also, have you never heard a black or latin comedian making fun of supposed white characteristics that make them seem "uncool", "nerdy" or "not hip"? Sure, and it causes me no harm. I don't lose out on jobs because of it, I don't have a hard time finding housing because of it, I don't feel excluded from civic institutions because of it. Some people of color do feel that way, and racism in our culture and society empowers those differences.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  > I don't lose out on jobs...have a hard time finding housing...don't feel excluded from civic institutions because of it... Incorrect. As a white dude, have you ever tried walking into a ghetto? Please try it out tonight. If you believe your stance is correct, you shall experience no racism and no harm will come to you. As a white dude...ever been to prison? Please, go and visit. If you think there's no racism against white people, you should be able to fit right in with all the black people in prison. As a white dude....ever tried to buy drugs? You'll certainly be paying much higher prices than my black and hispanic brethren. Honestly - where do you get off speaking for my race? I'm not a victim and I control my own experience. You're trying to take that away from me by making me a "protected class". The worst thing you could possibly do is to give me special treatment.
  - SwellJoe 10y ago
    Honestly - where do you get off speaking for my race? I'm not a victim and I control my own experience. You're trying to take that away from me by making me a "protected class". I'm just trying to speak to my fellow white folks about stuff they often get wrong. Apologies for stepping on your toes and driving in your lane. It wasn't my intention to tell you anything about your life or experience.
    - Yetanfou 10y ago
      Now all you need to do is apologize to [your] fellow white folks for lecturing them about 'stuff they often get wrong', otherwise you'd still be treating people different based on their skin colour. Why not just drop the whole subject of separating people based on the colour of their skin or hair or whatever other innate property (gender, sexual orientation, laterality...) and treat people as... people? Don't talk to 'your fellow (people_of_whatever_colour|gender|laterality|...)', talk to people who share a political opinion or religion or field of interest.
      - SwellJoe 10y ago
        I disagree with that assessment, based on reading a whole lot of people of color's writing on the subject of solving racism. I'm doing the best I can in the time I have on earth to undo racism and the harm it causes. I don't always get it right, but being colorblind is not always the right answer.

SwellJoe 10y ago

Also, have you never heard a black or latin comedian making fun of supposed white characteristics that make them seem "uncool", "nerdy" or "not hip"? Sure, and it causes me no harm. I don't lose out on jobs because of it, I don't have a hard time finding housing because of it, I don't feel excluded from civic institutions because of it. Some people of color do feel that way, and racism in our culture and society empowers those differences.

WayneBro 10y ago
> I don't lose out on jobs...have a hard time finding housing...don't feel excluded from civic institutions because of it... Incorrect. As a white dude, have you ever tried walking into a ghetto? Please try it out tonight. If you believe your stance is correct, you shall experience no racism and no harm will come to you. As a white dude...ever been to prison? Please, go and visit. If you think there's no racism against white people, you should be able to fit right in with all the black people in prison. As a white dude....ever tried to buy drugs? You'll certainly be paying much higher prices than my black and hispanic brethren. Honestly - where do you get off speaking for my race? I'm not a victim and I control my own experience. You're trying to take that away from me by making me a "protected class". The worst thing you could possibly do is to give me special treatment.
- SwellJoe 10y ago
  Honestly - where do you get off speaking for my race? I'm not a victim and I control my own experience. You're trying to take that away from me by making me a "protected class". I'm just trying to speak to my fellow white folks about stuff they often get wrong. Apologies for stepping on your toes and driving in your lane. It wasn't my intention to tell you anything about your life or experience.
  - Yetanfou 10y ago
    Now all you need to do is apologize to [your] fellow white folks for lecturing them about 'stuff they often get wrong', otherwise you'd still be treating people different based on their skin colour. Why not just drop the whole subject of separating people based on the colour of their skin or hair or whatever other innate property (gender, sexual orientation, laterality...) and treat people as... people? Don't talk to 'your fellow (people_of_whatever_colour|gender|laterality|...)', talk to people who share a political opinion or religion or field of interest.
    - SwellJoe 10y ago
      I disagree with that assessment, based on reading a whole lot of people of color's writing on the subject of solving racism. I'm doing the best I can in the time I have on earth to undo racism and the harm it causes. I don't always get it right, but being colorblind is not always the right answer.