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> Using an Apple keyboard, which even though it doesn't look ergonomic, the reduced key travel has helped immensely. I thought the conventional wisdom was that

> Using an Apple keyboard, which even though it doesn't look ergonomic, the reduced key travel has helped immensely. I thought the conventional wisdom was that Apple keyboards caused RSI?

gtaylor 10y ago
Their laptop keyboards in particular tear my hands up pretty good.
pmcollins 10y ago
Maybe for some? I had been using an "ergonomic" Microsoft keyboard for years, but found that it was the amount of force and distance to depress a key that was causing me problems.
- aninhumer 10y ago
  I'm using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard at work at the moment, which has a similar ergonomic layout but less travel than my old Natural. It's also really nicely made (magnetic stand + battery cover, and fairly sleek design). However, one fairly significant issue is that the top row uses buttons instead of keys. It doesn't bother me too much, but I can imagine that would mess with some people's workflows. Also the corresponding "ergonomic" mouse was the worst I've ever used. It's like a large ball that forces me to stretch and grip constantly to keep my fingers on the buttons. I replaced it almost immediately.
lmm 10y ago
It is, but I had the same experience as GP FWIW. For me mechanical keyboards are the absolute worst; light touch, short travel, and switching to Dvorak are what saved me.
cfraenkel 10y ago
It's not so much the key travel as the overall 'feel' relative to how your muscles learned to type. Everyone's different and react differently to different keyboards. What's most likely the issue is the not-conscious feedback loop that tells your fingers when to stop pressing. With some keys you type lightly, other types of keyswitches lead you to mash the keys with a high force until you're bottoming out on the pcb. It's that impact that generates high forces.
- cgvgffyv 10y ago
  Does that mean that if I type very hard and I feel there's no hope for me to learn not to bang on the keyboard, the most, well, healthy keyboard for me will be the one with the longest key travel?

> Using an Apple keyboard, which even though it doesn't look ergonomic, the reduced key travel has helped immensely. I thought the conventional wisdom was that Apple keyboards caused RSI?

gtaylor 10y ago

Their laptop keyboards in particular tear my hands up pretty good.

pmcollins 10y ago

Maybe for some? I had been using an "ergonomic" Microsoft keyboard for years, but found that it was the amount of force and distance to depress a key that was causing me problems.

aninhumer 10y ago
I'm using the Microsoft Sculpt keyboard at work at the moment, which has a similar ergonomic layout but less travel than my old Natural. It's also really nicely made (magnetic stand + battery cover, and fairly sleek design). However, one fairly significant issue is that the top row uses buttons instead of keys. It doesn't bother me too much, but I can imagine that would mess with some people's workflows. Also the corresponding "ergonomic" mouse was the worst I've ever used. It's like a large ball that forces me to stretch and grip constantly to keep my fingers on the buttons. I replaced it almost immediately.

lmm 10y ago

It is, but I had the same experience as GP FWIW. For me mechanical keyboards are the absolute worst; light touch, short travel, and switching to Dvorak are what saved me.

cfraenkel 10y ago

It's not so much the key travel as the overall 'feel' relative to how your muscles learned to type. Everyone's different and react differently to different keyboards. What's most likely the issue is the not-conscious feedback loop that tells your fingers when to stop pressing. With some keys you type lightly, other types of keyswitches lead you to mash the keys with a high force until you're bottoming out on the pcb. It's that impact that generates high forces.

cgvgffyv 10y ago
Does that mean that if I type very hard and I feel there's no hope for me to learn not to bang on the keyboard, the most, well, healthy keyboard for me will be the one with the longest key travel?