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Buying things discounted that are discounted because you say you'll adhere to certain Terms of Service and then violating those Terms of Service will have conse

by arjie 10y ago

Buying things discounted that are discounted because you say you'll adhere to certain Terms of Service and then violating those Terms of Service will have consequences. It's discounted if you hold up your side of the deal and if you don't, then this is what's going to happen. Scalpers are a cancer.

rlpb 10y ago
> Buying things discounted that are discounted because you say you'll adhere to certain Terms of Service and then violating those Terms of Service will have consequences. That's fine. Terminate contracts with these users then, or sue them for your losses. But throwing away their data is a step too far. It's like finding out that your bank doesn't want to do business with you any more but also that they aren't going to give you your money back. Google could give these users a data dump, at least. A Terms of Service violation is a civil matter. Even the courts don't punish contract violators; they only require damages to paid to make the damaged parties whole. Punishments are reserved for crimes, are supposed to be proportional, and you're entitled to justice judged by your peers. A digital death sentence is the right term for this. In what way is this proportional? How is Google justified in doing so much more for so much less?
- arjie 10y ago
  Because this isn't punitive in the search of justice or anything like that. It's just: "You made a deal that said I could do this if you did that. You did that. I did this." Of course, I happen to love it because scalpers are a blight upon the nation. But that's just me.
stale2002 10y ago
US law and the first sale doctrine disagree with you. You are fully with your right as a US citizen to resell something that you buy.
- arjie 10y ago
  Will happily defer to you if you're a lawyer, but no one stopped anyone from transferring a device. An associated service was stopped, and I'm fairly certain that's allowed. If you're not a lawyer, though, your opinion is as good as mine on law - which is to say, it's worth nothing.
  - chinathrow 10y ago
    Yeah according to their ToS it was allowed - but morally and ethically it's disgusting, simply.

by arjie 10y ago

rlpb 10y ago

> Buying things discounted that are discounted because you say you'll adhere to certain Terms of Service and then violating those Terms of Service will have consequences. That's fine. Terminate contracts with these users then, or sue them for your losses. But throwing away their data is a step too far. It's like finding out that your bank doesn't want to do business with you any more but also that they aren't going to give you your money back. Google could give these users a data dump, at least. A Terms of Service violation is a civil matter. Even the courts don't punish contract violators; they only require damages to paid to make the damaged parties whole. Punishments are reserved for crimes, are supposed to be proportional, and you're entitled to justice judged by your peers. A digital death sentence is the right term for this. In what way is this proportional? How is Google justified in doing so much more for so much less?

arjie 10y ago
Because this isn't punitive in the search of justice or anything like that. It's just: "You made a deal that said I could do this if you did that. You did that. I did this." Of course, I happen to love it because scalpers are a blight upon the nation. But that's just me.

stale2002 10y ago

US law and the first sale doctrine disagree with you. You are fully with your right as a US citizen to resell something that you buy.

arjie 10y ago
Will happily defer to you if you're a lawyer, but no one stopped anyone from transferring a device. An associated service was stopped, and I'm fairly certain that's allowed. If you're not a lawyer, though, your opinion is as good as mine on law - which is to say, it's worth nothing.
- chinathrow 10y ago
  Yeah according to their ToS it was allowed - but morally and ethically it's disgusting, simply.