4 ms·

But we're heading towards a future where Thunderbolt 3/USB-C can do everything. It's like complaining about HDMI replacing VGA, or USB A replacing an inbuilt CD

But we're heading towards a future where Thunderbolt 3/USB-C can do everything. It's like complaining about HDMI replacing VGA, or USB A replacing an inbuilt CD drive.

EJTH 10y ago
Yeah, but why not wait till the day where accessories are actually sold with a USB-C to kill off the alternatives? Why not start out with just a few USB-C ports in 2016, and then when the market is matured enough, you kill off the unused ports? The only way this move makes sense is in the scheme of apples 'proprietary lock in' strategy where they try to force the user to stay in the apple eco system with bullshit like this.
- matt4077 10y ago
  How is there lock-in? Every new PC sold has USB-C as well.
  - EJTH 10y ago
    You don't think that there is even the slightest chance that the decision to use FB3 / USB-C is based on the fact that consumers would have to replace their entire collection of USB accesories?
    - matt4077 10y ago
      No , I don't. Nobody would pay 200$ for a new external SSD just to avoid the adaptor. For anything with a cable, you can also just replace the cable. And, most importantly: Apple barely makes any money from the sale of peripherals. Their own products have mostly moved to bluetooth anyway. I can understand people who don't like the switch, although I tend to disagree. But the idea that they have a profit motive in doing so I find absurd. I've also seen it all play out before: "I'm a professional, I need a floppy drive!", "Amateurs may be ok without a CD-drive, but I'm a professional", "They're just trying to push their WLAN base stations, it'll never catch on. Professionals like me need a real network".
      - EJTH 10y ago
        > Apple barely makes any money from the sale of peripherals. Well that is going to change now, since everyone and their mom now needs a few extra USB adapters + USB SD card reader + HDMI adapters etc. > "I'm a professional, I need a floppy drive!", "Amateurs may be ok without a CD-drive, but I'm a professional", "They're just trying to push their WLAN base stations, it'll never catch on. Professionals like me need a real network" You don't think that having to use an adapter for something as generic as a USB thumb drive will kind of be an obstacle in the day to day business of the casual user?
youngtaff 10y ago
That may be the case but when I rock up to clients offices they have VGA or HDMI for me to plug into. The the removal of useful fn keys is the future why do we still have CAPS LOCK key? Apple could have eased the transition, say include a Thunderbolt 2 port so we didn't need to replace all adapters immediately. But no that's not Apple's way 'cos they know best…
- jbrambleDC 10y ago
  caps lock is like the joker in a deck of cards. We need it so we can remap it to ESC (the ace of spades of keys).

But we're heading towards a future where Thunderbolt 3/USB-C can do everything. It's like complaining about HDMI replacing VGA, or USB A replacing an inbuilt CD drive.

EJTH 10y ago

Yeah, but why not wait till the day where accessories are actually sold with a USB-C to kill off the alternatives? Why not start out with just a few USB-C ports in 2016, and then when the market is matured enough, you kill off the unused ports? The only way this move makes sense is in the scheme of apples 'proprietary lock in' strategy where they try to force the user to stay in the apple eco system with bullshit like this.

matt4077 10y ago
How is there lock-in? Every new PC sold has USB-C as well.
- EJTH 10y ago
  You don't think that there is even the slightest chance that the decision to use FB3 / USB-C is based on the fact that consumers would have to replace their entire collection of USB accesories?
  - matt4077 10y ago
    No , I don't. Nobody would pay 200$ for a new external SSD just to avoid the adaptor. For anything with a cable, you can also just replace the cable. And, most importantly: Apple barely makes any money from the sale of peripherals. Their own products have mostly moved to bluetooth anyway. I can understand people who don't like the switch, although I tend to disagree. But the idea that they have a profit motive in doing so I find absurd. I've also seen it all play out before: "I'm a professional, I need a floppy drive!", "Amateurs may be ok without a CD-drive, but I'm a professional", "They're just trying to push their WLAN base stations, it'll never catch on. Professionals like me need a real network".
    - EJTH 10y ago
      > Apple barely makes any money from the sale of peripherals. Well that is going to change now, since everyone and their mom now needs a few extra USB adapters + USB SD card reader + HDMI adapters etc. > "I'm a professional, I need a floppy drive!", "Amateurs may be ok without a CD-drive, but I'm a professional", "They're just trying to push their WLAN base stations, it'll never catch on. Professionals like me need a real network" You don't think that having to use an adapter for something as generic as a USB thumb drive will kind of be an obstacle in the day to day business of the casual user?

youngtaff 10y ago

That may be the case but when I rock up to clients offices they have VGA or HDMI for me to plug into. The the removal of useful fn keys is the future why do we still have CAPS LOCK key? Apple could have eased the transition, say include a Thunderbolt 2 port so we didn't need to replace all adapters immediately. But no that's not Apple's way 'cos they know best…

jbrambleDC 10y ago
caps lock is like the joker in a deck of cards. We need it so we can remap it to ESC (the ace of spades of keys).