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I guess you'll have to trust him and his friends from the FSB (former KGB) :)

by yug 10y ago

antocv 10y ago
Do you make the same remarks when Google, Microsoft, Apple or Palantir releases software?
- yoz-y 10y ago
  I have the impression that ever since Snowden happened, yes. Any mention of a non open source OS gets accompanied by remarks about NSA, FBI and co.
  - erikbye 10y ago
    Open source projects are not shielded from this either. Plenty of paranoia, justified or not, going around these days. https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-de... http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/20/5231006/nsa-paid-10-million-for-a-back-door-into-rsa-encryption-according-to http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/20/5231006/nsa-paid-10-milli... https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-backdoor-left-in-Unix-or-Linux-intentionally https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-backdoor-left-in-Unix-or-... https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-the-nsa-may-have-put-a-backdoor-in-rsas-cryptography-a-technical-primer/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-the-nsa-may-have-put-a-backd... On one hand, we've been privy to some of NSA's operations, on the other, there is still a lot left to be disclosed, most will of course, never be out in the open.
    - this-dang-guy 10y ago
      Let's not forget the great OpenBSD code audit caused when someone from the FBI claimed to have planted a backdoor. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/12/openbsd-code-audit-uncovers-bugs-but-no-evidence-of-backdoor/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/12/openbs...
- simias 10y ago
  Don't know about him but I know I would if they released closed source security-critical software. Would you use Windows to host your super critical top secret backend? I know I wouldn't.
- mda 10y ago
  If it is a proper open source project, no.
- golergka 10y ago
  They don't have this kind of history with security agencies though.
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    um... except they do. That's what the snowden documents showed us
    - golergka 10y ago
      No. Snowden documents didn't show that Larry and Sergei are childhood buddies with FBI, NSA or CIA chiefs. That's the problem with intellectual americans - you guys know how bad things are in your country, but not realize how worse they are everywhere else.
      - CaptSpify 10y ago
        No, I'll concede the specifics, but the impact is the same. They show that Google, FB, etc are all sending their data to the NSA and others. > That's the problem with intellectual americans - you guys know how bad things are in your country, but not realize how worse they are everywhere else. What? Just because some situations are worse in other countries means the US can't be doing anything wrong?
        kbenson 10y ago
        > No, I'll concede the specifics, but the impact is the same. They show that Google, FB, etc are all sending their data to the NSA and others. Are you talking about National Security Letters? That's a complex topic. I would hope the companies did what they could to fight where they had room, but I also don't necessarily expect companies to break the law. If you're talking about data, the NSA tapped private datacenter connections, and I'm under the impression that Google at least was working to mitigate this (encrypt all datacenter-to-datacenter traffic) before all this came to light. Or are you referring to something else?

I guess you'll have to trust him and his friends from the FSB (former KGB) :)

by yug 10y ago

I guess you'll have to trust him and his friends from the FSB (former KGB) :)

antocv 10y ago

Do you make the same remarks when Google, Microsoft, Apple or Palantir releases software?

yoz-y 10y ago
I have the impression that ever since Snowden happened, yes. Any mention of a non open source OS gets accompanied by remarks about NSA, FBI and co.
- erikbye 10y ago
  Open source projects are not shielded from this either. Plenty of paranoia, justified or not, going around these days. https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-de... http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/20/5231006/nsa-paid-10-million-for-a-back-door-into-rsa-encryption-according-to http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/20/5231006/nsa-paid-10-milli... https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-backdoor-left-in-Unix-or-Linux-intentionally https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-backdoor-left-in-Unix-or-... https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-the-nsa-may-have-put-a-backdoor-in-rsas-cryptography-a-technical-primer/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/how-the-nsa-may-have-put-a-backd... On one hand, we've been privy to some of NSA's operations, on the other, there is still a lot left to be disclosed, most will of course, never be out in the open.
  - this-dang-guy 10y ago
    Let's not forget the great OpenBSD code audit caused when someone from the FBI claimed to have planted a backdoor. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/12/openbsd-code-audit-uncovers-bugs-but-no-evidence-of-backdoor/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/12/openbs...
simias 10y ago
Don't know about him but I know I would if they released closed source security-critical software. Would you use Windows to host your super critical top secret backend? I know I wouldn't.
mda 10y ago
If it is a proper open source project, no.
golergka 10y ago
They don't have this kind of history with security agencies though.
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  um... except they do. That's what the snowden documents showed us
  - golergka 10y ago
    No. Snowden documents didn't show that Larry and Sergei are childhood buddies with FBI, NSA or CIA chiefs. That's the problem with intellectual americans - you guys know how bad things are in your country, but not realize how worse they are everywhere else.
    - CaptSpify 10y ago
      No, I'll concede the specifics, but the impact is the same. They show that Google, FB, etc are all sending their data to the NSA and others. > That's the problem with intellectual americans - you guys know how bad things are in your country, but not realize how worse they are everywhere else. What? Just because some situations are worse in other countries means the US can't be doing anything wrong?
      - kbenson 10y ago
        > No, I'll concede the specifics, but the impact is the same. They show that Google, FB, etc are all sending their data to the NSA and others. Are you talking about National Security Letters? That's a complex topic. I would hope the companies did what they could to fight where they had room, but I also don't necessarily expect companies to break the law. If you're talking about data, the NSA tapped private datacenter connections, and I'm under the impression that Google at least was working to mitigate this (encrypt all datacenter-to-datacenter traffic) before all this came to light. Or are you referring to something else?