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Its a very serious intrusion that was denounced by the by American Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz and others. The front organisations are real and the intent of st

Its a very serious intrusion that was denounced by the by American Archbishop Joseph E. Kurtz and others. The front organisations are real and the intent of starting a 'Catholic Spring' was descussed by Podesta and other high ranking DNC officials.

xnull2guest 10y ago
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6293 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6293 It's pretty incredible how casually members of the US government and party officials invoke the concept of galvanizing revolutionary movements. There's a concept within the US government that "it's better to convince than to conquer" but there's been a growing awareness and resistance to the emotional abuse that comes from the exhausting onslaught of ideological infiltration and astroturfed revolutionary appeal.
- generic_user 10y ago
  The US has been involved in 'Color Revolutions' for a long time. There is evidence that Ukrainian revolution was in part aided by US and EU. George Soros Is also a big player in financing NGOs that work to establish phony social movements. Both Hillary and the DNC are connected to Soros Open Society Foundations. Soros is also funding BLM and other groups that are active in the protests/riots going on.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    For those who don't know, that is right out of the Russian propaganda talking points. Note the complete lack of substantiation; sensational, inflammatory claims have a bizarre way of causing people to stop thinking and asking the question: Is there any credible evidence, or is this just part of the endless BS that fills our world?
    - xnull2guest 10y ago
      I would say that his post is highly corroborated with what I've read from Stratfor and other leaked documents (not through Wikileaks). Indeed, the CIA have terms for different kinds of propaganda. White propaganda is true things that aide your message. Black propaganda false things that aide your message. Grey in the middle. This is definitely right out of the Russia "white propaganda" playbook, as the history fully corroborates it.
      - hackuser 10y ago
        Would you provide some evidence to the rest of us?
hackuser 10y ago
Can you point to evidence of any of this? Organizing people for a political cause is not a conspiratorial front, it's democracy. That's the fundamental means of participating in it.
- sdegutis 10y ago
  They were trying to incite a moral revolution within the Catholic Church to conform to their own moral standards, but the Catholic Church is not a democracy, the morals and rules are not decided by the collective members of the Catholic Church, which is what makes this move downright unethical.
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    The rules are pretty arbitrary, and decided by councils of Bishops though. Trying to influence them, trying to bring the church out of the dark ages, can be seen by some to be laudable.
    - sdegutis 10y ago
      You're right, some will think so, but only those who are not familiar with how Catholic doctrine works. The rules are not arbitrary. Things like the requirement to go to Mass on Sunday are man-made rules, but made by those with authority, and for very good well-thought-out reason. Regardless of whether you agree that their authority is valid, it's not arbitrary in the least. And others are immutable laws of existence, like the fact that it is an impossibility for women to be ordained. It's like wanting to change the quantity of 3 (not the symbol but the actual number) to be 4. It's just simply impossible. These laws are not arbitrary either, they're solidly based in logical reasoning of philosophy and theology.
      - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
        Well. They used to be different, how about that? For instance priests being celibate was just a marketing move. Doesn't sound so immutable. History shows the 'laws' were as fungible as the situation required.

xnull2guest 10y ago

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6293 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6293 It's pretty incredible how casually members of the US government and party officials invoke the concept of galvanizing revolutionary movements. There's a concept within the US government that "it's better to convince than to conquer" but there's been a growing awareness and resistance to the emotional abuse that comes from the exhausting onslaught of ideological infiltration and astroturfed revolutionary appeal.

generic_user 10y ago
The US has been involved in 'Color Revolutions' for a long time. There is evidence that Ukrainian revolution was in part aided by US and EU. George Soros Is also a big player in financing NGOs that work to establish phony social movements. Both Hillary and the DNC are connected to Soros Open Society Foundations. Soros is also funding BLM and other groups that are active in the protests/riots going on.
- hackuser 10y ago
  For those who don't know, that is right out of the Russian propaganda talking points. Note the complete lack of substantiation; sensational, inflammatory claims have a bizarre way of causing people to stop thinking and asking the question: Is there any credible evidence, or is this just part of the endless BS that fills our world?
  - xnull2guest 10y ago
    I would say that his post is highly corroborated with what I've read from Stratfor and other leaked documents (not through Wikileaks). Indeed, the CIA have terms for different kinds of propaganda. White propaganda is true things that aide your message. Black propaganda false things that aide your message. Grey in the middle. This is definitely right out of the Russia "white propaganda" playbook, as the history fully corroborates it.
    - hackuser 10y ago
      Would you provide some evidence to the rest of us?

hackuser 10y ago

Can you point to evidence of any of this? Organizing people for a political cause is not a conspiratorial front, it's democracy. That's the fundamental means of participating in it.

sdegutis 10y ago
They were trying to incite a moral revolution within the Catholic Church to conform to their own moral standards, but the Catholic Church is not a democracy, the morals and rules are not decided by the collective members of the Catholic Church, which is what makes this move downright unethical.
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  The rules are pretty arbitrary, and decided by councils of Bishops though. Trying to influence them, trying to bring the church out of the dark ages, can be seen by some to be laudable.
  - sdegutis 10y ago
    You're right, some will think so, but only those who are not familiar with how Catholic doctrine works. The rules are not arbitrary. Things like the requirement to go to Mass on Sunday are man-made rules, but made by those with authority, and for very good well-thought-out reason. Regardless of whether you agree that their authority is valid, it's not arbitrary in the least. And others are immutable laws of existence, like the fact that it is an impossibility for women to be ordained. It's like wanting to change the quantity of 3 (not the symbol but the actual number) to be 4. It's just simply impossible. These laws are not arbitrary either, they're solidly based in logical reasoning of philosophy and theology.
    - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
      Well. They used to be different, how about that? For instance priests being celibate was just a marketing move. Doesn't sound so immutable. History shows the 'laws' were as fungible as the situation required.