I think me backing off is the only useful thing for me to do. We both seem pretty convinced about what the right solution to these problems is, and neither seem

I think me backing off is the only useful thing for me to do. We both seem pretty convinced about what the right solution to these problems is, and neither seems to be budging. I don't really think either is right or wrong; I have a preference and so do you. As for Docker, you can continue to use the logging tools you're used to, or you can have it output to the journal. Docker supports many logging drivers: https://docs.docker.com/engine/admin/logging/overview/ https://docs.docker.com/engine/admin/logging/overview/