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> he FBI has required US ISPs to censor them from their DNS servers. That's a pretty serious statement, the government threatens infrastructure providers all t

> he FBI has required US ISPs to censor them from their DNS servers. That's a pretty serious statement, the government threatens infrastructure providers all the time but I haven't heard of the FBI requiring ISP level censorship of DNS. > I’ve had this occur quite a few times now that 8.8.8.8 (yes, verified with DNSSEC to be the real one) and DNS servers of US ISPs returned different IPs than the authoritative nameservers Can you give some examples?

kuschku 10y ago
> That's a pretty serious statement, the government threatens infrastructure providers all the time but I haven't heard of the FBI requiring ISP level censorship of DNS. It’s not unheard of the FBI just storming into data centers, seizing entire racks, just because some of the systems in them might be connected to piracy sites. > Can you give some examples? I’m sorry, I know this will undermine the credibility of the statement, but I won’t link to content where linking to it can potentially be a crime on here. Sorry.
- indolering 10y ago
  > It’s not unheard of the FBI just storming into data centers, seizing entire racks, just because some of the systems in them might be connected to piracy sites. Indeed, they regularly force cooperation by telling the accused that they will seize their hardware for forensic analysis and then drop them to the bottom of the priority queue. > I’m sorry, I know this will undermine the credibility of the statement, but I won’t link to content where linking to it can potentially be a crime on here. Sorry. I think you misunderstand how the law works (at least in the US). I suggest you read this guide put out by the ACLU[0]. [0] https://www.eff.org/wp/iaal-what-peer-peer-developers-need-know-about-copyright-law https://www.eff.org/wp/iaal-what-peer-peer-developers-need-k...
SyneRyder 10y ago
Here's an example from the FBI website itself, announcing the seizure of 150 websites by taking over control of their domain name: https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/washingtondc/press-releases/2011/federal-courts-order-seizure-of-150-website-domains-involved-in-selling-counterfeit-goods-as-part-of-doj-ice-hsi-and-fbi-cyber-monday-crackdown https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/washingtondc/press-release...
- mynameisvlad 10y ago
  I believe the FBI seized the domain names, as in, from the registrars/registries themselves. They talk about some of them being forefeited, which would have happened at registrar-level. There's nothing in there that suggested manipulation of the DNS servers themselves.
- indolering 10y ago
  Yes, I've seen those and FOIA'd for the rest (no luck). But this isn't the same as forcing ISPs to censor specific websites.

kuschku 10y ago

> That's a pretty serious statement, the government threatens infrastructure providers all the time but I haven't heard of the FBI requiring ISP level censorship of DNS. It’s not unheard of the FBI just storming into data centers, seizing entire racks, just because some of the systems in them might be connected to piracy sites. > Can you give some examples? I’m sorry, I know this will undermine the credibility of the statement, but I won’t link to content where linking to it can potentially be a crime on here. Sorry.

indolering 10y ago
> It’s not unheard of the FBI just storming into data centers, seizing entire racks, just because some of the systems in them might be connected to piracy sites. Indeed, they regularly force cooperation by telling the accused that they will seize their hardware for forensic analysis and then drop them to the bottom of the priority queue. > I’m sorry, I know this will undermine the credibility of the statement, but I won’t link to content where linking to it can potentially be a crime on here. Sorry. I think you misunderstand how the law works (at least in the US). I suggest you read this guide put out by the ACLU[0]. [0] https://www.eff.org/wp/iaal-what-peer-peer-developers-need-know-about-copyright-law https://www.eff.org/wp/iaal-what-peer-peer-developers-need-k...

SyneRyder 10y ago

Here's an example from the FBI website itself, announcing the seizure of 150 websites by taking over control of their domain name: https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/washingtondc/press-releases/2011/federal-courts-order-seizure-of-150-website-domains-involved-in-selling-counterfeit-goods-as-part-of-doj-ice-hsi-and-fbi-cyber-monday-crackdown https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/washingtondc/press-release...

mynameisvlad 10y ago
I believe the FBI seized the domain names, as in, from the registrars/registries themselves. They talk about some of them being forefeited, which would have happened at registrar-level. There's nothing in there that suggested manipulation of the DNS servers themselves.
indolering 10y ago
Yes, I've seen those and FOIA'd for the rest (no luck). But this isn't the same as forcing ISPs to censor specific websites.