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In this comment thread there are many people who did not read the entire article to its conclusion, and then also failed to read the many comments about the ver
by mevile 10y ago
In this comment thread there are many people who did not read the entire article to its conclusion, and then also failed to read the many comments about the very last and very important bit at the end of the article.
There ought to be like a "didn't read the article" link next to the comment people can click to quickly bury those comments. It would avoid people having to reply again and again to say the same thing that commentator could have just learned had they read the article. Especially, you know, this bit:
> Remember: There’s a reason we gave the %localappdata%\lxss\ folder ‘hidden’ & ‘system’ attributes
There are multiple comments in this thread right now with that line in them.
- hueving 10y ago>There ought to be like a "didn't read the article" link next to the comment people can click to quickly bury those comments. There is, it's the downvote button. The distinction of why a downvote is useless.
- wst_ 10y agoWhat are the requirements to be able to down vote?
- nothrabannosir 10y agoa karma threshold. 800 or something?
- EdwardCoffin 10y ago500, I only just gained downvote ability in the past few weeks, when I finally gained more than 500. Edit: another thing I should have mentioned is that it seemed to me that only those comments made after I gained this ability were downvotable, the thread my last few comments were in was sprinkled with downvotable comments, which were newer, and non-downvotable comments which were there before mine. I might have been imagining this or be mistaken though.
- itp 10y agoAs a data point, I am at _exactly_ 500 right now, and cannot downvote. So perhaps you have to exceed 500? EDIT: checking again at 507 and I now have the power to downvote. So there's our answer (plus my moderately shameless play for some upvotes worked).
- grzm 10y agoYup. 501. Remember. With great power comes great responsibility.
- mannykannot 10y agoIndeed - compared with the ability to speak freely, the ability to downvote is not much of a privilege.
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- paulddraper 10y agoCouncil of 300 https://xkcd.com/1224/ https://xkcd.com/1224/
- thesimpsons1022 10y agothe real question is if it goes away if you're downvoted.
- grzm 10y agoI believe it does, but don't have any evidence to back it up. If itp volunteers, we could test by down voting his comments :)
- jmsmistral 10y agoExactly... This effect might reinforce 'upvote'-grabbing behavior, to either not lose the ability, or regain downvote if lost.
- aaron695 10y ago> The distinction of why a downvote is useless. Actually I think it would be incredible useful. You could use it to shift a community to a more useful direction. A more direct way of eliminating common errors. If on a cool new tech that's renewable if someone starts another bloody global warming discussion being able to downvote as OT could try and keep people on topic rather than having to down vote something you agree with. There are issues with the idea, it can become censorshop, but I find it an interesting one.
- brazzledazzle 10y agoThey could just make flagging dual purpose. But flagged comments probably alert the admins. Maybe clicking the flag button could spawn a drop down but I think there might be an aversion to introducing complexity and impedance. Requiring multiple clicks and using drop down elements might be a departure from the deliberate simplicity.
- m0nty 10y agoColorize according to votes. Purple = off-topic. Red = troll. Orange = weird and scary. You could blend colors too. Reddish-purple = off-topic troll. Dark orange = weird and scary troll. etc.
- bhdz 10y ago>There is, it's the downvote button. The distinction of why a downvote is useless. How about a tag system associated with each posting? Then you can have just a scalar "weight" and a set of keywords (string labels), each with a designated meaning. You press a "plus" button or something, and a menu with optional tagging pops up (tag clouds can be used). Some tags could be "spam", others could be "didn't read" and users can build their own threshold filters for tags. (0) spam; (4) didn't read; (3) incomplete; ...
- grzm 10y agoI've thought about this, too. In particular, I'd like to, say, separately up vote "substantive" and down vote "agree". That said, how complex do we really want the UX to be? As for "didn't read", if you're not interested, just move on. If you think the article is inappropriate and can, flag and move on. If you see a comment that looks like the poster didn't read the article, you can call civilly call out what is in the article, and perhaps down vote the comment.
- bhdz 10y ago> how complex? Yeah I thought about this very hard actually, and came to the conclusion that just a "weight"(+) button is enough. And, if you care that much so that you would waste your time providing more ... contextual meta-info (about the weight itself), you simply need a pop-up and a quick way to select words from a common dictionary. Certain users can even make content "more spammish" by simply increasing the weight with a click (they agree with the labeling and they are "special" in some way). This, and the weight itself should provide enough info for a comprehensive "decoration" of the postings.
- abritinthebay 10y agoSo... slashdot?
- bhdz 10y agoMmm, to be honest, I was never a slashdotter so I have no experience with it at all (strangely enough :))
- thiagowfx 10y agoI don't see a downvote button. Do you need a base reputation for that, like Stack Overflow? Edit: yeah, karma is needed.
- djsumdog 10y agoAlso, isn't the entire new Linux/Windows subsystem still in beta? IIRC it's only in the preview builds and even then you still need to enable it explicitly.
- _wmd 10y agoFrom initial glance, it seems the problem could easily be fixed with a filesystem filter driver ( https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/drivers/ifs/what-is-a-file-system-filter-driver- https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/hardware/drivers/if... ) detecting modifications to paths under the Linux root directory. Actually it could be done entirely in userspace, this definitely isn't some insurmountable architectural problem. Lolling hard at suggestions to use Cygwin as a viable alternative to WSL because of this tiny nit.
- bitcrazed 10y agoNot as simple as this because some tools create a working copy of a file when it's being modified, and then replace original file once changes are saved. Mapping these changes to the same file "identity" likely v. error prone.
- Kipters 10y agoIt's available in the current public release, you still must enable it explicitly like other optional Windows features (like Hyper-V)
- xg15 10y ago> Remember: There’s a reason we gave the %localappdata%\lxss\ folder ‘hidden’ & ‘system’ attributes So basically "there is a gaping hole in the middle of the street but it's ok, I've put a 'road ends here' sign in front of it so now it's the drivers' fault if something happens" In this case this results in a lot of files not being editable by windows programs, plain and simple - such as the entirety of /etc and /home. That's a pretty bad situation.
- raphman 10y agoThe metaphor is wrong. As a normal user you would never come into contact with these files. The "gaping hole" is actually in a fenced-off area with keep-out signs where nobody would wander in by accident.
- ahstro 10y agoYou say that, but I've seen a few too many people delete random system files because they didn't know what they were and needed space. Granted, they should've read the "keep out" signs and have only themselves to blame.
- sgift 10y agoThese files are hidden by default, so not only didn't they read the "keep out" signs, they tore them down and said "See? No sign." and then ran into the hole.
- ygra 10y agoI guess at some point you can't protect people from themselves anymore. One might even argue that people who use WSL (especially in beta) would be tech-savvy enough to understand how it's implemented and works, but apparently not ...
- raphman 10y agoSure - it is not a good situation. To me it would have sounded perfectly reasonable to edit WSL files with a Windows editor. There could at least be some kind of __README_FIRST_BEFORE_DOING_ANYTHING_IN_THIS_DIRECTORY.TXT. I just wanted to make clear that the parent comment is slightly hypberbolic.