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At the end of the day, creating many of these services is trivial. Creating a LinkedIn clone is trivial, and one will pop up in Russia giving some Russian owner
by devoply 10y ago
At the end of the day, creating many of these services is trivial. Creating a LinkedIn clone is trivial, and one will pop up in Russia giving some Russian owners profit and creating jobs for Russians. So how it's bad for the Russian economy, or the economy of any country to do this, is beyond me. On the other hand, dictatorships and capitalist democracies love to gather as much information as they can on their citizens, so it will allow Russians to get more information on their citizens. Which may be bad for some of them.
- frozenport 10y agoBecause a large part of the Russian software market is overseas.and many developers work on contract. Further, this helps the Kremlin's agenda which has lead to economic stagnation, and the average gdp of Russians dropping below that of China.
- devoply 10y agoDoesn't seem like it: https://www.google.ca/search?q=russia+gdp https://www.google.ca/search?q=russia+gdp
- baybal2 10y agoWell, the Chinese median income is double that of Russia though
- raquo 10y agoAre you hoping people won't look past the misleading google chart that ends in 2013? Russia's GDP has been reliably falling since then. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-per-capita-ppp http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-per-capita-ppp
- devoply 10y agoAre you hoping I won't type /china/ in the URL? The statement "average gdp of Russians dropping below that of China" is still not true. Though I am not an expert on the subject, nor do I have a interest in Russia. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/gdp-per-capita-ppp http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/gdp-per-capita-ppp
- raquo 10y agoI thought you were contesting the bigger argument that Russia's economy is stagnating, since the link you provided did not contradict anything else (there was no reference to China).
- tobltobs 10y ago> Creating a LinkedIn clone is trivial Sure, but reaching a critical mass isn't. And for Russian freelancers looking for work outside of Russia a Russian LinkedIn isn't helpful. Maybe the problems with this regulation will be more obvious if a service like Github is blocked.
- mholub 10y agoWe actually had Github banned in Russia once or twice for short periods of time (like hours or days). Because of some repository contained joke text about how to commit suicide.
- nkrisc 10y agoIt's not about the economy, it's about control. Give them control or get out. Eventually the only companies left are those that will acquiesce to Russian demands.
- dualogy 10y agoFrom how I understanding "Russian state philosophy" (if there's such a thing) I'd even intuitively assume they're not necessarily primarily interested in gathering everything-about-everyone but in ensuring no other party (especially private western/multinational corps) gain potentially such an information advantage over them. We've arrived in an age when non-sovereign entities can gain leverage over sovereign entities and thus become "geopolitical players", to be "reckoned with".
- paganel 10y agoThat's my understanding of it, also. Just the other day I was discussing with a work colleague about what would have happened had FB not been blocked in China almost from the very beginning. Imagine all the Chinese' people data sitting on a server a couple of keystrokes away from entities like the NSA. Our example, made half-jokingly, was something along the lines of: "Imagine how much information you can gain just by tracking the GPS positions of the personal secretaries attached to important Chinese Communist Party power figures".
- nkrisc 10y agoTotally. It's about control now, the possibility of control in the future, and taking away opportunities for control over you from your adversaries.
- devoply 10y agoSame as National Security Letter. You give the government what it wants, or else. At the end of the day the difference is soft power vs. hard power. The thugs dressing in nice suits and having their agents mess your business up through audits or lawsuits, or thugs sending their secret police to mess you up. The end result is they get what they want no matter what.
- ivan_gammel 10y agoLinkedIn clone already exists for quite a long time. The professionali.ru service even copied the original design when it was launched. Not successful. :) The real alternative - startup MoiKrug.ru ("my circle"), that was launched in mid-2000s - was purchased by Yandex, made irrelevant by lack of clear strategy and finally sold to some other investor.
- baybal2 10y agoOh my, are they still around? I was one of the volunteers on the team back in 2006.