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"I'm sad to learn it," he says of the new discovery. "It would be sadder yet to continue to deny that it happened, if, as now seems clear, it did happen. You ca

"I'm sad to learn it," he says of the new discovery. "It would be sadder yet to continue to deny that it happened, if, as now seems clear, it did happen. You cannot learn from and correct past mistakes unless you know about them." I wonder if this will ever be said about Snowden in the NSA

at-fates-hands 10y ago
>> You cannot learn from and correct past mistakes unless you know about them. I must getting older, because I see this statement a lot and when you look back, its clear we never do learn from our past mistakes.
- ythn 10y ago
  > I must getting older, because I see this statement a lot and when you look back, its clear we never do learn from our past mistakes. Hence the current JavaScript development stack(s)
- knz 10y ago
  Sure we do. Every living person is here because someone learned from their past mistakes at some point. Implying that "we" don't learn from our mistakes is suggesting that we are all complicit when in reality I'm not sure most Americans even support programs like registering people based upon their religion. You could argue that every vote for Trump was condoning this policy but I think that is too simplistic. The real issue is that we still don't have an effective means to resist the stranglehold that certain interests have on those in power and we have a shortage of inspirational leaders willing to tell the truth rather than whatever the crowd wants to hear.
- mtgx 10y ago
  It's okay, "we need to look forward" - so that Trump can now hire the exact same torturers and torture architects that Obama pardoned. Hopefully now people finally realize what a dumb "mistake" that was, to think and act like that post an administration like Bush's. Will the next Democrat president act the same way about Trump's administration's crimes? Probably, especially if people don't criticize him or her about it, because they would be too busy patting themselves on the back for beating the Republicans in the election.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > I see this statement a lot and when you look back, its clear we never do learn from our past mistakes. Well, we do. We have greatly improved (but not sufficient) civil rights for minorities and women, European wars are a thing of the past (hopefully), we have mechanisms that have prevented economic depressions for over 70 years, etc. But it's not a spectator sport. If I sit back and say, 'we haven't learned', then in effect I'm the one who hasn't learned. Democracy relies on its citizens to come forward, speak up, organize, and act. I've read many great leaders complain that their biggest obstacle isn't their enemies, but those sitting on their hands.
HillaryBriss 10y ago
the thing some people will learn from this is that they should not trust the census bureau with their information
- StanislavPetrov 10y ago
  Hopefully the lesson learned is that they should not "trust" any organization, ever. Trust should be a concept reserved for children and Santa.

at-fates-hands 10y ago

>> You cannot learn from and correct past mistakes unless you know about them. I must getting older, because I see this statement a lot and when you look back, its clear we never do learn from our past mistakes.

ythn 10y ago
> I must getting older, because I see this statement a lot and when you look back, its clear we never do learn from our past mistakes. Hence the current JavaScript development stack(s)
knz 10y ago
Sure we do. Every living person is here because someone learned from their past mistakes at some point. Implying that "we" don't learn from our mistakes is suggesting that we are all complicit when in reality I'm not sure most Americans even support programs like registering people based upon their religion. You could argue that every vote for Trump was condoning this policy but I think that is too simplistic. The real issue is that we still don't have an effective means to resist the stranglehold that certain interests have on those in power and we have a shortage of inspirational leaders willing to tell the truth rather than whatever the crowd wants to hear.
mtgx 10y ago
It's okay, "we need to look forward" - so that Trump can now hire the exact same torturers and torture architects that Obama pardoned. Hopefully now people finally realize what a dumb "mistake" that was, to think and act like that post an administration like Bush's. Will the next Democrat president act the same way about Trump's administration's crimes? Probably, especially if people don't criticize him or her about it, because they would be too busy patting themselves on the back for beating the Republicans in the election.
hackuser 10y ago
> I see this statement a lot and when you look back, its clear we never do learn from our past mistakes. Well, we do. We have greatly improved (but not sufficient) civil rights for minorities and women, European wars are a thing of the past (hopefully), we have mechanisms that have prevented economic depressions for over 70 years, etc. But it's not a spectator sport. If I sit back and say, 'we haven't learned', then in effect I'm the one who hasn't learned. Democracy relies on its citizens to come forward, speak up, organize, and act. I've read many great leaders complain that their biggest obstacle isn't their enemies, but those sitting on their hands.

HillaryBriss 10y ago

the thing some people will learn from this is that they should not trust the census bureau with their information

StanislavPetrov 10y ago
Hopefully the lesson learned is that they should not "trust" any organization, ever. Trust should be a concept reserved for children and Santa.