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I really like the idea of Camlistore. But I really want something my family could actually handle if the worst came to the worst and that just happens to be bit

by setq 10y ago

I really like the idea of Camlistore. But I really want something my family could actually handle if the worst came to the worst and that just happens to be bitlocker encrypted NTFS. Plug the stick in, plonk in a password and you have all my things.

notheguyouthink 10y ago
What would prevent Camlistore from the same model? I guess if you're gone, the server might not be running properly, and they wouldn't know how to start it and etc. Ya? That's fair. I wonder if it would be worth it to write some type of camlistore extraction tool. Eg, plug in a USB, autoruns a script which mounts a blob store as a fuse FS. Hell, the blob store could be packed with the USB.. a sort of way to backup Camlistore that your family can always access. I actually like that idea. Fuse may not be a good access model (it's tied to unix of course), but maybe just a couple binaries that will auto run and display the stored camlistore blobstore. Sounds like a nifty project and nifty way to backup camlistore for family/non-tech oriented. No servers needed, no understanding of the tech you use. As fool-proof as you can make it. Thoughts on this related to your model?
- setq 10y ago
  Some interesting ideas but I've got to ask: What if the ABI breaks, the CPU architecture changes or the project gives up at some point in the future? Ergo, I prefer to leave just the data. The data is hard enough on its own: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13367398 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13367398
  - notheguyouthink 10y ago
    I mean, the data is still there, fwiw. I'm not sure how generic bitlocker is, but i imagine i have to have a tool specifically tailored to decrypt the bitlocker data. With Camlistore it's one level extracted. You'd need a tool to decrypt and scoop up all the chunks for a given file - but you could write that in Bash. The Camlistores blob store doesn't do anything fancy (that i recall! i could be wrong), it's just a bunch of json documents with the file contents in them. Though, Googling it now, it looks like BitLocker comes with Windows, so i can see why you like that. Your family doesn't need any tool, it's built into Windows. Not sure how that works with OSX though. > What if the ABI breaks, the CPU architecture changes Totally valid - but i could throw what ifs all day long. What if your family isn't on Windows? Here[1] is what i got for OSX (no idea if it's accurate). Though this does raise a good point - while a binary is nice for dependency free solutions, having non-bin solutions might be nice too. Eg, a Pyhton solution included is likely to work on all operating systems. The user has to of course install Python, which is bad. A platform specific solution (bash or dos) might be handy too. Binarys only would indeed be potentially bad, you are correct, thank you! > or the project gives up at some point in the future? Well in my proposal, the project is irrelevant. The exporter is already made. As long as the user can run one of the compiled binaries they could access/export it fully (in the concept, of course) [1]: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/239714/open-bitlocker-usb-stick-on-os-x http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/239714/open-bitlock...
    - setq 10y ago
      Bitlocker is quite specific but tailored to where everything already is. None of my children or my wife are OSX fans. I can't find a better cross platform solution if I'm honest - if there was one I'd be there. TrueCrypt was used before I used bitlocker and we know where that ended. Bitlocker works on OSX pretty well with this: http://www.m3datarecovery.com/mac-bitlocker/ http://www.m3datarecovery.com/mac-bitlocker/ Will mull over your ideas; there are definitely things to be gained and there's always tradeoffs that need to be considered.
      - paulryanrogers 10y ago
        VeraCrypt and CipherShed picked up where TrueCrypt left off.
      - notheguyouthink 10y ago
        To be clear, i don't think my ideas are better - this is merely a discussion. I do like Camlistore's approach to generic data storage though - ie, there is no organizing files/etc. Of course you can always go back and add metadata, but i treat it like a database dump - which is quite nice. I think what i need is to find the simplest solution to export/expose the data within camlistore. Then i can encrypt like you are, and be sure that family can get data back out. Hmm, much to think on. Appreciate the discussion :)

by setq 10y ago

notheguyouthink 10y ago

What would prevent Camlistore from the same model? I guess if you're gone, the server might not be running properly, and they wouldn't know how to start it and etc. Ya? That's fair. I wonder if it would be worth it to write some type of camlistore extraction tool. Eg, plug in a USB, autoruns a script which mounts a blob store as a fuse FS. Hell, the blob store could be packed with the USB.. a sort of way to backup Camlistore that your family can always access. I actually like that idea. Fuse may not be a good access model (it's tied to unix of course), but maybe just a couple binaries that will auto run and display the stored camlistore blobstore. Sounds like a nifty project and nifty way to backup camlistore for family/non-tech oriented. No servers needed, no understanding of the tech you use. As fool-proof as you can make it. Thoughts on this related to your model?

setq 10y ago
Some interesting ideas but I've got to ask: What if the ABI breaks, the CPU architecture changes or the project gives up at some point in the future? Ergo, I prefer to leave just the data. The data is hard enough on its own: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13367398 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13367398
- notheguyouthink 10y ago
  I mean, the data is still there, fwiw. I'm not sure how generic bitlocker is, but i imagine i have to have a tool specifically tailored to decrypt the bitlocker data. With Camlistore it's one level extracted. You'd need a tool to decrypt and scoop up all the chunks for a given file - but you could write that in Bash. The Camlistores blob store doesn't do anything fancy (that i recall! i could be wrong), it's just a bunch of json documents with the file contents in them. Though, Googling it now, it looks like BitLocker comes with Windows, so i can see why you like that. Your family doesn't need any tool, it's built into Windows. Not sure how that works with OSX though. > What if the ABI breaks, the CPU architecture changes Totally valid - but i could throw what ifs all day long. What if your family isn't on Windows? Here[1] is what i got for OSX (no idea if it's accurate). Though this does raise a good point - while a binary is nice for dependency free solutions, having non-bin solutions might be nice too. Eg, a Pyhton solution included is likely to work on all operating systems. The user has to of course install Python, which is bad. A platform specific solution (bash or dos) might be handy too. Binarys only would indeed be potentially bad, you are correct, thank you! > or the project gives up at some point in the future? Well in my proposal, the project is irrelevant. The exporter is already made. As long as the user can run one of the compiled binaries they could access/export it fully (in the concept, of course) [1]: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/239714/open-bitlocker-usb-stick-on-os-x http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/239714/open-bitlock...
  - setq 10y ago
    Bitlocker is quite specific but tailored to where everything already is. None of my children or my wife are OSX fans. I can't find a better cross platform solution if I'm honest - if there was one I'd be there. TrueCrypt was used before I used bitlocker and we know where that ended. Bitlocker works on OSX pretty well with this: http://www.m3datarecovery.com/mac-bitlocker/ http://www.m3datarecovery.com/mac-bitlocker/ Will mull over your ideas; there are definitely things to be gained and there's always tradeoffs that need to be considered.
    - paulryanrogers 10y ago
      VeraCrypt and CipherShed picked up where TrueCrypt left off.
    - notheguyouthink 10y ago
      To be clear, i don't think my ideas are better - this is merely a discussion. I do like Camlistore's approach to generic data storage though - ie, there is no organizing files/etc. Of course you can always go back and add metadata, but i treat it like a database dump - which is quite nice. I think what i need is to find the simplest solution to export/expose the data within camlistore. Then i can encrypt like you are, and be sure that family can get data back out. Hmm, much to think on. Appreciate the discussion :)