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> wow, you are incorrect in almost every statement. And yet you didn't refute a single one of them, and only offered subjective preferences and personal anecdo

> wow, you are incorrect in almost every statement. And yet you didn't refute a single one of them, and only offered subjective preferences and personal anecdotes. You like driving a manual. Bless your heart. Modern automatics still accelerate faster and are more fuel efficient than manuals. Just take a look at what the car manufacturers themselves report.

quickben 10y ago
People can invent points and refutals. Physics, dictates manuals to be more efficient. Automatic transmission 'learn driver habit' multiplies the above, and yet everybody in this discussion ignores it. CVT comes closer to efficiency of manual, but it's not popular because "the car just doesn't have the power on demand dude". This subject is a horse beaten to death, and then to a pulp, where people that have sporadic and rather incomplete knowledge, write novels based on what was on the car sale pitch.
- ghaff 10y ago
  And, yet, here's an example where EPA numbers on a car model where the automatic has better gas mileage: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2015_Scion_FR-S.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2015_Scion_FR-S.shtm... Now, perhaps this doesn't accurately represent real world driving conditions but nonetheless, physics notwithstanding, it does suggest that an automatic can be more efficient using standard measurements.
- henrikschroder 10y ago
  So far in this thread multiple people have brought up that the numbers reported by the car manufacturers themselves, for current model year cars, across a bunch of manufacturers, show that automatic transmission cars are more fuel efficient than manuals. I see two explanations for this: 1) They're all lying 2) Technological progress has finally caught up to a system that is bounded by human skill and hand-foot-coordination. (I'm betting on technology, are you betting on the human?)
saiya-jin 10y ago
faster? yes, I stated that, everybody knows that. more fuel efficient? people asked for you to prove it, so far nothing. have some facts into the discussion? all info I've seen so far in past 10 years (which doesn't mean all of them of course, I may be wrong on this), automats have higher reported consumption compared to manuals. So do 4x, obviously for different reasons, but it's consistent and expected. All other points I mentioned - you don't care about neither. Just bashing swedish system because you don't like it from you own personal view (if you cannot skip gear and whine about it, you are complete beginner, there ARE good reasons they have it and it happens in real world). My opinion might be biased since I always drove manuals for my own car, and rental automats have been consistently horrible/mkay boring at most (this includes latest Porsche and Ferrari 458 btw)

quickben 10y ago

People can invent points and refutals. Physics, dictates manuals to be more efficient. Automatic transmission 'learn driver habit' multiplies the above, and yet everybody in this discussion ignores it. CVT comes closer to efficiency of manual, but it's not popular because "the car just doesn't have the power on demand dude". This subject is a horse beaten to death, and then to a pulp, where people that have sporadic and rather incomplete knowledge, write novels based on what was on the car sale pitch.

ghaff 10y ago
And, yet, here's an example where EPA numbers on a car model where the automatic has better gas mileage: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2015_Scion_FR-S.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2015_Scion_FR-S.shtm... Now, perhaps this doesn't accurately represent real world driving conditions but nonetheless, physics notwithstanding, it does suggest that an automatic can be more efficient using standard measurements.
henrikschroder 10y ago
So far in this thread multiple people have brought up that the numbers reported by the car manufacturers themselves, for current model year cars, across a bunch of manufacturers, show that automatic transmission cars are more fuel efficient than manuals. I see two explanations for this: 1) They're all lying 2) Technological progress has finally caught up to a system that is bounded by human skill and hand-foot-coordination. (I'm betting on technology, are you betting on the human?)

saiya-jin 10y ago

faster? yes, I stated that, everybody knows that. more fuel efficient? people asked for you to prove it, so far nothing. have some facts into the discussion? all info I've seen so far in past 10 years (which doesn't mean all of them of course, I may be wrong on this), automats have higher reported consumption compared to manuals. So do 4x, obviously for different reasons, but it's consistent and expected. All other points I mentioned - you don't care about neither. Just bashing swedish system because you don't like it from you own personal view (if you cannot skip gear and whine about it, you are complete beginner, there ARE good reasons they have it and it happens in real world). My opinion might be biased since I always drove manuals for my own car, and rental automats have been consistently horrible/mkay boring at most (this includes latest Porsche and Ferrari 458 btw)