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wow, you are incorrect in almost every statement. I get it, you like easy driving without worrying about clutch and gears, but not everybody is like that. I wo

wow, you are incorrect in almost every statement. I get it, you like easy driving without worrying about clutch and gears, but not everybody is like that. I would never want automatic transmission for my car, it's inferior, expensive, less fun and car has no way knowing details of road situation I am facing and choices I am about to make. And I am far from petrolhead person FYI. Another point - I don't know a single person who has automatic gearbox in their car, not even soccer moms. Automatic gearbox is faster, and probably better for complete novice drivers so they can focus more on situation on the road. That's it. It is more costly, will wear engine faster, removes some connection between driver and car (includes fun of driving, but not only). Plus it creates desperate and sometimes dangerous drivers when they sit in a car with manual, which will almost inevitably happen.

peteretep 10y ago
> it's inferior, expensive, less > fun and car has no way knowing > details of road situation I agree, and have believed those things since my mother (literally) taught me them! But I've never driven an automatic, and the small number of people I know in the UK who have switched to an automatic are never, ever going back. Food for thought.
- julian55 10y ago
  I'm one of that small number in the UK who drives an automatic. I used to drive a manual but more than 10 years ago switched to an automatic and I wouldn't want to switch back. To me driving is about getting from A to B with the least hassle and an automatic helps with that.
- eric_the_read 10y ago
  I just switched because I simply couldn't get the vehicle I needed (2016 Toyota Tacoma, 4 doors, 6' bed) with a manual transmission. I love the truck, but I still wish I could have had it with a manual. When my girls are old enough to drive, I hope I can still find a manual that's safe for them to learn on, just so they'll know what to do if they ever need to use one.
blub 10y ago
Won't a double-clutch + kickdown get around the safety limitations though? As a manual driver I can potentially screw up fast acceleration from a still-stand, e.g. when needing to do a quick merge with pretty bad consequences. I've also noticed that my shifting is very tuned to the weight of the people normally in the car, I choked the engine twice when on a trip with friends and a full car. Embarassing and potentially dangerous. Note: more than a decade experience on manual.
- quickben 10y ago
  Double clutch+ downshift works only for the transmissions that have parts where they enable that usage. Many don't.
henrikschroder 10y ago
> wow, you are incorrect in almost every statement. And yet you didn't refute a single one of them, and only offered subjective preferences and personal anecdotes. You like driving a manual. Bless your heart. Modern automatics still accelerate faster and are more fuel efficient than manuals. Just take a look at what the car manufacturers themselves report.
- quickben 10y ago
  People can invent points and refutals. Physics, dictates manuals to be more efficient. Automatic transmission 'learn driver habit' multiplies the above, and yet everybody in this discussion ignores it. CVT comes closer to efficiency of manual, but it's not popular because "the car just doesn't have the power on demand dude". This subject is a horse beaten to death, and then to a pulp, where people that have sporadic and rather incomplete knowledge, write novels based on what was on the car sale pitch.
  - ghaff 10y ago
    And, yet, here's an example where EPA numbers on a car model where the automatic has better gas mileage: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2015_Scion_FR-S.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2015_Scion_FR-S.shtm... Now, perhaps this doesn't accurately represent real world driving conditions but nonetheless, physics notwithstanding, it does suggest that an automatic can be more efficient using standard measurements.
  - henrikschroder 10y ago
    So far in this thread multiple people have brought up that the numbers reported by the car manufacturers themselves, for current model year cars, across a bunch of manufacturers, show that automatic transmission cars are more fuel efficient than manuals. I see two explanations for this: 1) They're all lying 2) Technological progress has finally caught up to a system that is bounded by human skill and hand-foot-coordination. (I'm betting on technology, are you betting on the human?)
- saiya-jin 10y ago
aianus 10y ago
You don't have traffic where you live? I like driving manuals too but 45 minutes of stop and go traffic each way would be torture in a manual so I have an automatic.
- Colex 10y ago
  I have a manual in London, I don't feel it's a torture. Nothing against automatic, it will definitely make it a bit easier, but it doesn't take too long to put a first gear and move nor is it painful to hold the clutch if necessary.

peteretep 10y ago

> it's inferior, expensive, less > fun and car has no way knowing > details of road situation I agree, and have believed those things since my mother (literally) taught me them! But I've never driven an automatic, and the small number of people I know in the UK who have switched to an automatic are never, ever going back. Food for thought.

julian55 10y ago
I'm one of that small number in the UK who drives an automatic. I used to drive a manual but more than 10 years ago switched to an automatic and I wouldn't want to switch back. To me driving is about getting from A to B with the least hassle and an automatic helps with that.
eric_the_read 10y ago
I just switched because I simply couldn't get the vehicle I needed (2016 Toyota Tacoma, 4 doors, 6' bed) with a manual transmission. I love the truck, but I still wish I could have had it with a manual. When my girls are old enough to drive, I hope I can still find a manual that's safe for them to learn on, just so they'll know what to do if they ever need to use one.

blub 10y ago

Won't a double-clutch + kickdown get around the safety limitations though? As a manual driver I can potentially screw up fast acceleration from a still-stand, e.g. when needing to do a quick merge with pretty bad consequences. I've also noticed that my shifting is very tuned to the weight of the people normally in the car, I choked the engine twice when on a trip with friends and a full car. Embarassing and potentially dangerous. Note: more than a decade experience on manual.

quickben 10y ago
Double clutch+ downshift works only for the transmissions that have parts where they enable that usage. Many don't.

henrikschroder 10y ago

> wow, you are incorrect in almost every statement. And yet you didn't refute a single one of them, and only offered subjective preferences and personal anecdotes. You like driving a manual. Bless your heart. Modern automatics still accelerate faster and are more fuel efficient than manuals. Just take a look at what the car manufacturers themselves report.

quickben 10y ago
People can invent points and refutals. Physics, dictates manuals to be more efficient. Automatic transmission 'learn driver habit' multiplies the above, and yet everybody in this discussion ignores it. CVT comes closer to efficiency of manual, but it's not popular because "the car just doesn't have the power on demand dude". This subject is a horse beaten to death, and then to a pulp, where people that have sporadic and rather incomplete knowledge, write novels based on what was on the car sale pitch.
- ghaff 10y ago
  And, yet, here's an example where EPA numbers on a car model where the automatic has better gas mileage: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2015_Scion_FR-S.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/bymodel/2015_Scion_FR-S.shtm... Now, perhaps this doesn't accurately represent real world driving conditions but nonetheless, physics notwithstanding, it does suggest that an automatic can be more efficient using standard measurements.
- henrikschroder 10y ago
  So far in this thread multiple people have brought up that the numbers reported by the car manufacturers themselves, for current model year cars, across a bunch of manufacturers, show that automatic transmission cars are more fuel efficient than manuals. I see two explanations for this: 1) They're all lying 2) Technological progress has finally caught up to a system that is bounded by human skill and hand-foot-coordination. (I'm betting on technology, are you betting on the human?)
saiya-jin 10y ago

aianus 10y ago

You don't have traffic where you live? I like driving manuals too but 45 minutes of stop and go traffic each way would be torture in a manual so I have an automatic.

Colex 10y ago
I have a manual in London, I don't feel it's a torture. Nothing against automatic, it will definitely make it a bit easier, but it doesn't take too long to put a first gear and move nor is it painful to hold the clutch if necessary.