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I'm from Europe and learnt to drive with manual, but after getting used to my Prius' CVT, would never buy a car with manual for daily use. (Besides, my next car

by Yaggo 10y ago

I'm from Europe and learnt to drive with manual, but after getting used to my Prius' CVT, would never buy a car with manual for daily use. (Besides, my next car won't have an ICE.) If you occasionally like "sporty" driving with manual shifting, modern automatics will paddle-shift quicker than most people with a real stick & clutch. Manual gearbox is just an artifact from ICE's very limited torque curve.

jaggederest 10y ago
Paddle shifting is in no way equivalent to the level of torque and engine control a manual transmission provides. I drive a car with paddle shifters, coming from a manual, and it's just night and day different. The connection is entirely missing without the feedback provided by the physical linkage of the clutch pedal.
- CamperBob2 10y ago
  Try a PDK. The idea that it's so important to be able to uncouple the driveline as to warrant a dedicated pedal just for that purpose is completely silly.
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  - jaggederest 10y ago
    I actually daily drive a dual clutch gearbox. It's definitely not the same.
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lucaspiller 10y ago
> Prius' CVT It should be noted the transmission in a Prius isn't really a CVT. A traditional mechanical-CVT can be slow to respond as it still requires the transmission to mechanically move which means it can feel 'soft'. In the Prius' 'e-CVT' there is no mechanical linkage that needs to move, so it responds instantly. The electric motors can provide their full torque while the ICE is at 0 RPM, so when you push your foot down, you get a good amount of power without waiting for the engine to spin up to higher RPMs, as with a traditional automatic transmission (vs a mechanical transmission, where you can run the engine faster and use the clutch to limit the amount of power delivered to the wheels). This is why the Telsa's ludicrous mode is a thing - unlike an ICE, electric motors provide the highest torque from 0 RPM.
- Yaggo 10y ago
  Agree, calling Prius transimission a "CVT" is understatement, "electro-mechanical torque converter" would be more accurate term. Despite the Prius drivers having a reputation of being slow, the car is pretty quick, especially from red light start. Actually it makes you feel that other cars accelerate annoyingly slowly.

by Yaggo 10y ago

jaggederest 10y ago

Paddle shifting is in no way equivalent to the level of torque and engine control a manual transmission provides. I drive a car with paddle shifters, coming from a manual, and it's just night and day different. The connection is entirely missing without the feedback provided by the physical linkage of the clutch pedal.

CamperBob2 10y ago
Try a PDK. The idea that it's so important to be able to uncouple the driveline as to warrant a dedicated pedal just for that purpose is completely silly.
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- jaggederest 10y ago
  I actually daily drive a dual clutch gearbox. It's definitely not the same.
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lucaspiller 10y ago

> Prius' CVT It should be noted the transmission in a Prius isn't really a CVT. A traditional mechanical-CVT can be slow to respond as it still requires the transmission to mechanically move which means it can feel 'soft'. In the Prius' 'e-CVT' there is no mechanical linkage that needs to move, so it responds instantly. The electric motors can provide their full torque while the ICE is at 0 RPM, so when you push your foot down, you get a good amount of power without waiting for the engine to spin up to higher RPMs, as with a traditional automatic transmission (vs a mechanical transmission, where you can run the engine faster and use the clutch to limit the amount of power delivered to the wheels). This is why the Telsa's ludicrous mode is a thing - unlike an ICE, electric motors provide the highest torque from 0 RPM.

Yaggo 10y ago
Agree, calling Prius transimission a "CVT" is understatement, "electro-mechanical torque converter" would be more accurate term. Despite the Prius drivers having a reputation of being slow, the car is pretty quick, especially from red light start. Actually it makes you feel that other cars accelerate annoyingly slowly.