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You can get better 0 to 60 time with manual.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
Automatics are faster. Cammisa, Jason. "Here's what's really killing the manual transmission." Road & Track. March 10, 2014. (April 10, 2015) http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a6308/whats-really-killing-the-manual-transmisson/ http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a6308/whats-really-k... Lachnit, Carroll. "Five Myths About Stick Shifts: Manual vs Automatic Transmissions." Edmunds. Sept. 26, 2013. (April 10, 2015) http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-s...
- bitwize 10y ago
  If you're not driving a stick, eating paleo, and listening to your music on vinyl with a 100% analog mastering process, then you're doing it wrong.
  - dagw 10y ago
    OK, but can stop doing cross-fit?
  - nommm-nommm 10y ago
    I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.
henrikschroder 10y ago
It should be completely obvious that machines can be made to do things quicker, better, and more reliably than humans.
- TomMarius 10y ago
  So why are Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Skoda, Volkswagen and such reporting slower zero to sixty times on automatic transmissions?
  - henrikschroder 10y ago
    Just did a quick check on Mercedes' German website, tried to find some models that are still offered with manuals, and got this: B160d - faster with automatic B180 - faster with automatic B200 - faster with automatic C180 - slower with automatic C200 - faster with automatic C220d - faster with automatic CLA180d - same CLA180 - faster with automatic CLA200 - faster with automatic E200 - faster with automatic I'm sorry, but you are wrong for at least one of the manufacturers you listed. I only found one Mercedes model where they reported a slower 0-100km/h time for the version with the automatic transmission. I'm pretty sure the numbers for the other manufacturers are similar. Automatic transmissions have simply surpassed manuals. Yay, technology!
  - henrikschroder 10y ago
    Did a quick check on Audi's German website: https://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a6/a6-limousine.html#layer=/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a6/a6-limousine.engine_compare.4GC0IC0,4GC0IG0.techdata.html https://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a6/a6-limousine.htm... The A6 2.0 TDI accelerates faster with an automatic transmission (8.2s vs. 8.4s), and is more fuel efficient (4.4l/km vs 4.5l/km)
  - kylec 10y ago
    They are? Not in the US: BMW 340i: Auto 4.8s, Manual 4.9s http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2017/3/340iSedan/Features_and_Specs/340iSedanSpecifications.aspx http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2017/3/340iS... BMW M3: DCT 3.9s, Manual 4.1s http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2017/M/M3Sedan/Features_and_Specs/M3SedanSpecifications.aspx http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2017/M/M3Sed... C&D review of the VW Golf R: "The manual loses to the automatic Golf R against the stopwatch. The 0.7-second deficit from zero to 60 mph, which takes 5.2 seconds, is almost fully attributable to the two shifts required to reach 60" http://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf-r#eztoc8578403_0_1 http://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf-r#eztoc8578403_0... I couldn't find a manual Mercedes on their website, Skoda isn't for sale here, and I couldn't find 0-60 numbers on VW's website so I quoted an automotive review instead. The general consensus I've seen is that automatic transmission cars are faster than manual transmission cars 0-60.
angerbot 10y ago
Certainly not. A modern DCT or even a regular torque converter (such as the ubiquitous ZF 8-Speed) will be faster to 60 than a manual with even the best driver by several tenths.
- Matthias247 10y ago
  That's true. A good automatic transmission will be slightly faster. However I also get his point, as most of the last-gen cars with automatic transmission were slightly slower than their manual counterparts.

Automatics are faster. Cammisa, Jason. "Here's what's really killing the manual transmission." Road & Track. March 10, 2014. (April 10, 2015) http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a6308/whats-really-killing-the-manual-transmisson/ http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a6308/whats-really-k... Lachnit, Carroll. "Five Myths About Stick Shifts: Manual vs Automatic Transmissions." Edmunds. Sept. 26, 2013. (April 10, 2015) http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-shifts.html http://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/five-myths-about-stick-s...

bitwize 10y ago
If you're not driving a stick, eating paleo, and listening to your music on vinyl with a 100% analog mastering process, then you're doing it wrong.
- dagw 10y ago
  OK, but can stop doing cross-fit?
- nommm-nommm 10y ago
  I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.

henrikschroder 10y ago

It should be completely obvious that machines can be made to do things quicker, better, and more reliably than humans.

TomMarius 10y ago
So why are Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Skoda, Volkswagen and such reporting slower zero to sixty times on automatic transmissions?
- henrikschroder 10y ago
  Just did a quick check on Mercedes' German website, tried to find some models that are still offered with manuals, and got this: B160d - faster with automatic B180 - faster with automatic B200 - faster with automatic C180 - slower with automatic C200 - faster with automatic C220d - faster with automatic CLA180d - same CLA180 - faster with automatic CLA200 - faster with automatic E200 - faster with automatic I'm sorry, but you are wrong for at least one of the manufacturers you listed. I only found one Mercedes model where they reported a slower 0-100km/h time for the version with the automatic transmission. I'm pretty sure the numbers for the other manufacturers are similar. Automatic transmissions have simply surpassed manuals. Yay, technology!
- henrikschroder 10y ago
  Did a quick check on Audi's German website: https://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a6/a6-limousine.html#layer=/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a6/a6-limousine.engine_compare.4GC0IC0,4GC0IG0.techdata.html https://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a6/a6-limousine.htm... The A6 2.0 TDI accelerates faster with an automatic transmission (8.2s vs. 8.4s), and is more fuel efficient (4.4l/km vs 4.5l/km)
- kylec 10y ago
  They are? Not in the US: BMW 340i: Auto 4.8s, Manual 4.9s http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2017/3/340iSedan/Features_and_Specs/340iSedanSpecifications.aspx http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2017/3/340iS... BMW M3: DCT 3.9s, Manual 4.1s http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2017/M/M3Sedan/Features_and_Specs/M3SedanSpecifications.aspx http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2017/M/M3Sed... C&D review of the VW Golf R: "The manual loses to the automatic Golf R against the stopwatch. The 0.7-second deficit from zero to 60 mph, which takes 5.2 seconds, is almost fully attributable to the two shifts required to reach 60" http://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf-r#eztoc8578403_0_1 http://www.caranddriver.com/volkswagen/golf-r#eztoc8578403_0... I couldn't find a manual Mercedes on their website, Skoda isn't for sale here, and I couldn't find 0-60 numbers on VW's website so I quoted an automotive review instead. The general consensus I've seen is that automatic transmission cars are faster than manual transmission cars 0-60.

angerbot 10y ago

Certainly not. A modern DCT or even a regular torque converter (such as the ubiquitous ZF 8-Speed) will be faster to 60 than a manual with even the best driver by several tenths.

Matthias247 10y ago
That's true. A good automatic transmission will be slightly faster. However I also get his point, as most of the last-gen cars with automatic transmission were slightly slower than their manual counterparts.