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> Call it systemdOS and be done with it. Every major Linux distro has chosen systemd as their future. I think that means whoever wants something different need

> Call it systemdOS and be done with it. Every major Linux distro has chosen systemd as their future. I think that means whoever wants something different needs to change their name, rather than every major Linux distro changing theirs. Just as the Gnome 2 fans chose a new name for their future based on that lineage.

badsock 10y ago
Fair enough. It just seems like it might be useful to have a symbolic split of some kind, where people choose a camp instead of trying to pull in both directions. Naming can do that.
- SwellJoe 10y ago
  Devuan is, apparently, a fork of Debian without systemd, so there are seemingly reasonable options for going that path. I, personally, won't miss initscripts, but one of our customers has been begging for a Devuan port of our products, so I guess some folks are excited about it.
mfukar 10y ago
> as their future ..and here I was thinking they chose it as an init system.
- fapjacks 10y ago
  Well, hopefully now you see that it never was just an init system. It is literally the future of Linux in the eyes of its proponents, as it gobbles up more and more crap. And people wonder why there is opposition to systemd!
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snaky 10y ago
> Every major Linux distro has chosen systemd as their future Gentoo is a major Linux distro too.
- SwellJoe 10y ago
  I don't really stay on top of popularity of distros, but I'd be surprised if Gentoo is in the top 10, in terms of usage. But, when I say "major Linux distros", I mean, specifically: RHEL/CentOS, Ubuntu and Debian, as those are clear market leaders on the server (I mostly pay attention to the server space). Fedora, Mint, and maybe Arch comes into the picture for desktop, I guess? SuSE seems to be on the rise again. All of those are systemd, I think. I guess one can argue about what level of popularity makes something a "major Linux distro". I, personally, wouldn't put Gentoo into that category, unless I saw some evidence of dramatic increase in its usage.
- belorn 10y ago
  Correct me if I am wrong here, but I thought Gentoo user had to make active choices when it came to make, compile and configure an installation, and that Gentoo as a distribution had a hands-off approach when it came to make decisions for the user. Is there a "default" init system, where if the user make no decision they end up with a specific one?
  - pdkl95 10y ago
    https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems Gentoo officially uses OpenRC (and eudev), which is what you get if you follow the installation handbook. However, Gentoo also encourages choice and allows many options for init, daemon management, etc, which includes systemd. Other options ( are also available, too, at least unofficially. > if the user makes no decision While OpenRC is the official default, the "compile and setup everything yourself" nature of Gentoo makes this kind of statement somewhat irrelevant. One of the major reasons to use Gentoo is the ability to pick the components you want in your OS so it meets your specific needs. So yes, while there is a default, the concept of having a "default" is less important when you are installing everything manually.
yedpodtrzitko 10y ago
If you would tell me "this will just fix & improve init system" then that would a no-brainer. However I feel like the scope of the project has massively changed over time, so people (distros) who agreed with something a year or two ago could have a different opinion nowadays.
- SwellJoe 10y ago
  > so people (distros) who agreed with something a year or two ago could have a different opinion nowadays. Do you have an example of a distro that feels that way? I only follow Fedora and RHEL/CentOS close enough to know, and they're still quite pro-systemd on all fronts, though there's still some hybrid stuff sticking around for backward compatibility and user comfort (so, a lot of stuff people were used to doing in the past still works the same on systemd-based systems).
  - kasabali 10y ago
    > Do you have an example of a distro that feels that way? Void Linux switched from systemd to runit.

badsock 10y ago

Fair enough. It just seems like it might be useful to have a symbolic split of some kind, where people choose a camp instead of trying to pull in both directions. Naming can do that.

SwellJoe 10y ago
Devuan is, apparently, a fork of Debian without systemd, so there are seemingly reasonable options for going that path. I, personally, won't miss initscripts, but one of our customers has been begging for a Devuan port of our products, so I guess some folks are excited about it.

mfukar 10y ago

> as their future ..and here I was thinking they chose it as an init system.

fapjacks 10y ago
Well, hopefully now you see that it never was just an init system. It is literally the future of Linux in the eyes of its proponents, as it gobbles up more and more crap. And people wonder why there is opposition to systemd!
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snaky 10y ago

> Every major Linux distro has chosen systemd as their future Gentoo is a major Linux distro too.

SwellJoe 10y ago
I don't really stay on top of popularity of distros, but I'd be surprised if Gentoo is in the top 10, in terms of usage. But, when I say "major Linux distros", I mean, specifically: RHEL/CentOS, Ubuntu and Debian, as those are clear market leaders on the server (I mostly pay attention to the server space). Fedora, Mint, and maybe Arch comes into the picture for desktop, I guess? SuSE seems to be on the rise again. All of those are systemd, I think. I guess one can argue about what level of popularity makes something a "major Linux distro". I, personally, wouldn't put Gentoo into that category, unless I saw some evidence of dramatic increase in its usage.
belorn 10y ago
Correct me if I am wrong here, but I thought Gentoo user had to make active choices when it came to make, compile and configure an installation, and that Gentoo as a distribution had a hands-off approach when it came to make decisions for the user. Is there a "default" init system, where if the user make no decision they end up with a specific one?
- pdkl95 10y ago
  https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems Gentoo officially uses OpenRC (and eudev), which is what you get if you follow the installation handbook. However, Gentoo also encourages choice and allows many options for init, daemon management, etc, which includes systemd. Other options ( are also available, too, at least unofficially. > if the user makes no decision While OpenRC is the official default, the "compile and setup everything yourself" nature of Gentoo makes this kind of statement somewhat irrelevant. One of the major reasons to use Gentoo is the ability to pick the components you want in your OS so it meets your specific needs. So yes, while there is a default, the concept of having a "default" is less important when you are installing everything manually.

yedpodtrzitko 10y ago

If you would tell me "this will just fix & improve init system" then that would a no-brainer. However I feel like the scope of the project has massively changed over time, so people (distros) who agreed with something a year or two ago could have a different opinion nowadays.

SwellJoe 10y ago
> so people (distros) who agreed with something a year or two ago could have a different opinion nowadays. Do you have an example of a distro that feels that way? I only follow Fedora and RHEL/CentOS close enough to know, and they're still quite pro-systemd on all fronts, though there's still some hybrid stuff sticking around for backward compatibility and user comfort (so, a lot of stuff people were used to doing in the past still works the same on systemd-based systems).
- kasabali 10y ago
  > Do you have an example of a distro that feels that way? Void Linux switched from systemd to runit.