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Given they are sharing this vile post https://www.facebook.com/SavionMusic/posts/1261727890587736 https://www.facebook.com/SavionMusic/posts/1261727890587736

Given they are sharing this vile post https://www.facebook.com/SavionMusic/posts/1261727890587736 https://www.facebook.com/SavionMusic/posts/1261727890587736 of total incendiary bullshit, they really are calling the kettle black. This is a prime example of fake stories that serve no purpose other than to make people feel bad, make minorities feel worse and create divides.

SamUK96 10y ago
T h a n k you. It's been shown almost all of these stories are fake. Remember the gas station one? Several people, and even major news orgs, rang up the local police department, and they said they never received any call from the victim or from anybody in a gas station. Classic :P
- dao- 10y ago
  Where has it been shown that "almost all of these stories are fake"? Do you have a source? Please share. FWIW, making such an accusation without credible background info makes you sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist. (I'm not sure what the gas station story was. Was it severe enough that it would have been imperative for any victim or witness to call the police? Were there enough witnesses? If not, the police not having received a call doesn't show anything.)
  - obj-g 10y ago
    A simple google search will show you how often SJWs lie about harassment to get attention and further their cause. The only one I know for a fact post-Trump that was fake was a student from University of Louisiana at Lafayette. Google it. It's hard to prove stuff like this fake, but if you read what the people claim, a lot of them really seem like fantasies. Almost cartoonish in their descriptions, as if a truck from the 1950s pulls up full of good ol' boys or something. But I'm sure many of them are true. I also know you can easily find a video on youtube of a man being savagely beaten and having his car stolen for being an alleged Trump supporter. All Trump supporters are being discriminated against in pretty ugly ways (I'm not one of them, by the way). It's just a sad time for us. Everyone is so extreme on both sides.
    - dao- 10y ago
      > A simple google search will show you how often SJWs lie about harassment to get attention and further their cause. This is ridicules. For every esoteric claim you'll find a "source" on the Internet. That doesn't make them true. I want a credible source and accountable evidence, not some ideological alt-right infowar bullshit that I'm sure I can find easily via Google.
      - obj-g 10y ago
        That's why I recommended you google it yourself. I mean, just find the video of the black woman in a wheelchair burning a cross on her own lawn before calling the police. There's a video. That's just one example. Research yourself on sites you trust. To just dismiss what I'm saying this way, claim I'm looking at alt-right infowar pages when I didn't direct you anywhere specific... meh.
        dao- 10y ago
        I'm not even sure what you're asking me to google. "The big SJW conspiracy"? So there was a black women falsely reporting a crime, cool. How does that show that "almost all of these stories are fake"?
        obj-g 10y ago
        I never defended the claim that almost all are fake (in fact, I said I'm sure many are true), I'm simply saying there are many times these people have been caught lying about harassment -- and yes, they are SJWs. Like many of the people most upset about Trump's victory. You don't know what to google except "big SJW conspiracy". I can see I'll get nowhere with you. Just forget about it, you've made up your mind.
        dao- 10y ago
        The question I asked was: "Where has it been shown that 'almost all of these stories are fake'?" You responded to that with: "A simple google search will show you how often SJWs lie about harassment to get attention and further their cause" Still sounds to me like you were defending the claim, but I'll take your word that you didn't mean to and I agree we can end this weird conversation.
  - makomk 10y ago
    The gas station story is this one, I think. The victim claimed that charges had been filed, the police claimed not to even have received any report of such a crime: http://www.phillyvoice.com/police-no-official-report-ugly-racial-incident-del-gas-station/ http://www.phillyvoice.com/police-no-official-report-ugly-ra... Also, it's impossible to tell exactly what proportion of stories are fake because as you say not all of them have witnesses or are reported to the police, or even have enough details that they could ever be disproved, but the fakes seem to rather outnumber the confirmed incidents right now.
djsumdog 10y ago
Reminds me of those late 90s rumours and email threads. Remember the gangs that would drive around with their headlights off or brights on? If you flashed yours to let them know, they follow you and remove a finger as gang initiation...or kill you..or something..I don't know it changed every time. :-P Ah everything old is new again!
dao- 10y ago
So raising awareness for racism is the problem, not racism itself? Or are you saying that racism isn't real? That all those reports are fake? Something else? I can't really tell from your comment. Btw I'm part of a minority and these kind of posts don't make me "feel worse." Please don't speak for me, thank you very much.
- throwaway54675 10y ago
  The issue is that those stories might be just as fabricated as those macedonian fake news sites. Maybe they're created for different reasons, but how are you supposed to trust a collection of unsourced text snippets? And even if we are charitable and assume that they are grounded in facts they might still be exaggerated because they are more vivid in the memory of the one reporting them than what actually happened.
  - dao- 10y ago
    I would argue that they are unlikely to be "just as fabricated as those macedonian fake news sites", because the come from random individuals rather than weird "news outlets" with a business model. Granted, the identities of those random individuals could be fake, the reports could theoretically be orchestrated etc., but unless you have proof for this, that's just a conspiracy theory.
    - throwaway54675 10y ago
      It's not just professional outlets that create fake news. 4chan regularly does false-flagging to create a more heated discussion. And so does the other side, see mattress girl for example or the gas station thing mentioned elsewhere in the thread. Lies are cheap on the internet. And since those stories are a claim that something happened and there is noone to argue the other side my position is that the burden of proof that anything happened at all is on the poster. Otherwise they might be crying wolf.
      - dao- 10y ago
elcct 10y ago
Purpose is to get likes, attention and at some point ad revenue.
makomk 10y ago
We're meant to accept those fake viral stories on social media because they fit the narrative. For example, take this tweet from a senior reporter at CNN attacking famed right-wing news cesspit Breitbart for covering the fakery: https://twitter.com/DylanByers/status/798263162508177410 https://twitter.com/DylanByers/status/798263162508177410 The FBI actually said there was a surge in hate crimes in 2015. This in no way confirms the post-election surge of social media stories as he pretends it does. (Which makes his tweet a fake viral claim that a story about fake viral hate crime claims is fake. Confusing, I know.)
- dao- 10y ago
  > We're meant to accept those fake viral stories [snip] And now /you/ are calling those reports fake without presenting credible evidence. How does a misguided tweet about the Breitbart cesspit suddenly make Breitbart's claim right? So much confusion, I know.
  - makomk 10y ago
    It doesn't, the fact that more reputable news organisations have contacted the local police and they've confirmed that several of the most prominent reports are fake does.[1] Ultimately the problem isn't that any one particular story turned out to be false, it's that social media spreads the most incendiary, terrifying stories regardless of truth and there's an atmosphere of hostility towards anyone questioning them. (Though this did lead to the confirmed fakes being the most successful, viral hate crime claims I saw post-election.) [1] http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/11/election-night-hijab-attack-false http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/11/election-night-hijab-attac... is a reasonable summary.
    - dao- 10y ago
      Thanks for the link. This seems to be a mix of straight-out fakes, misunderstandings, inaccuracies, missing police reports (not necessarily a proof for anything) etc. Is there an analyses that goes a bit further, maybe looking at the top X shared stories and counting how many of them turned out to be false vs. how many could be confirmed vs. how many we just can't proof or disproof? I think something like that would be needed to make a blanket statement like "those fake viral stories."

SamUK96 10y ago

T h a n k you. It's been shown almost all of these stories are fake. Remember the gas station one? Several people, and even major news orgs, rang up the local police department, and they said they never received any call from the victim or from anybody in a gas station. Classic :P

dao- 10y ago
Where has it been shown that "almost all of these stories are fake"? Do you have a source? Please share. FWIW, making such an accusation without credible background info makes you sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist. (I'm not sure what the gas station story was. Was it severe enough that it would have been imperative for any victim or witness to call the police? Were there enough witnesses? If not, the police not having received a call doesn't show anything.)
- obj-g 10y ago
  A simple google search will show you how often SJWs lie about harassment to get attention and further their cause. The only one I know for a fact post-Trump that was fake was a student from University of Louisiana at Lafayette. Google it. It's hard to prove stuff like this fake, but if you read what the people claim, a lot of them really seem like fantasies. Almost cartoonish in their descriptions, as if a truck from the 1950s pulls up full of good ol' boys or something. But I'm sure many of them are true. I also know you can easily find a video on youtube of a man being savagely beaten and having his car stolen for being an alleged Trump supporter. All Trump supporters are being discriminated against in pretty ugly ways (I'm not one of them, by the way). It's just a sad time for us. Everyone is so extreme on both sides.
  - dao- 10y ago
    > A simple google search will show you how often SJWs lie about harassment to get attention and further their cause. This is ridicules. For every esoteric claim you'll find a "source" on the Internet. That doesn't make them true. I want a credible source and accountable evidence, not some ideological alt-right infowar bullshit that I'm sure I can find easily via Google.
    - obj-g 10y ago
      That's why I recommended you google it yourself. I mean, just find the video of the black woman in a wheelchair burning a cross on her own lawn before calling the police. There's a video. That's just one example. Research yourself on sites you trust. To just dismiss what I'm saying this way, claim I'm looking at alt-right infowar pages when I didn't direct you anywhere specific... meh.
      - dao- 10y ago
        I'm not even sure what you're asking me to google. "The big SJW conspiracy"? So there was a black women falsely reporting a crime, cool. How does that show that "almost all of these stories are fake"?
        obj-g 10y ago
        I never defended the claim that almost all are fake (in fact, I said I'm sure many are true), I'm simply saying there are many times these people have been caught lying about harassment -- and yes, they are SJWs. Like many of the people most upset about Trump's victory. You don't know what to google except "big SJW conspiracy". I can see I'll get nowhere with you. Just forget about it, you've made up your mind.
        dao- 10y ago
        The question I asked was: "Where has it been shown that 'almost all of these stories are fake'?" You responded to that with: "A simple google search will show you how often SJWs lie about harassment to get attention and further their cause" Still sounds to me like you were defending the claim, but I'll take your word that you didn't mean to and I agree we can end this weird conversation.
- makomk 10y ago
  The gas station story is this one, I think. The victim claimed that charges had been filed, the police claimed not to even have received any report of such a crime: http://www.phillyvoice.com/police-no-official-report-ugly-racial-incident-del-gas-station/ http://www.phillyvoice.com/police-no-official-report-ugly-ra... Also, it's impossible to tell exactly what proportion of stories are fake because as you say not all of them have witnesses or are reported to the police, or even have enough details that they could ever be disproved, but the fakes seem to rather outnumber the confirmed incidents right now.

djsumdog 10y ago

Reminds me of those late 90s rumours and email threads. Remember the gangs that would drive around with their headlights off or brights on? If you flashed yours to let them know, they follow you and remove a finger as gang initiation...or kill you..or something..I don't know it changed every time. :-P Ah everything old is new again!

dao- 10y ago

So raising awareness for racism is the problem, not racism itself? Or are you saying that racism isn't real? That all those reports are fake? Something else? I can't really tell from your comment. Btw I'm part of a minority and these kind of posts don't make me "feel worse." Please don't speak for me, thank you very much.

throwaway54675 10y ago
The issue is that those stories might be just as fabricated as those macedonian fake news sites. Maybe they're created for different reasons, but how are you supposed to trust a collection of unsourced text snippets? And even if we are charitable and assume that they are grounded in facts they might still be exaggerated because they are more vivid in the memory of the one reporting them than what actually happened.
- dao- 10y ago
  I would argue that they are unlikely to be "just as fabricated as those macedonian fake news sites", because the come from random individuals rather than weird "news outlets" with a business model. Granted, the identities of those random individuals could be fake, the reports could theoretically be orchestrated etc., but unless you have proof for this, that's just a conspiracy theory.
  - throwaway54675 10y ago
    It's not just professional outlets that create fake news. 4chan regularly does false-flagging to create a more heated discussion. And so does the other side, see mattress girl for example or the gas station thing mentioned elsewhere in the thread. Lies are cheap on the internet. And since those stories are a claim that something happened and there is noone to argue the other side my position is that the burden of proof that anything happened at all is on the poster. Otherwise they might be crying wolf.
    - dao- 10y ago

elcct 10y ago

Purpose is to get likes, attention and at some point ad revenue.

makomk 10y ago

We're meant to accept those fake viral stories on social media because they fit the narrative. For example, take this tweet from a senior reporter at CNN attacking famed right-wing news cesspit Breitbart for covering the fakery: https://twitter.com/DylanByers/status/798263162508177410 https://twitter.com/DylanByers/status/798263162508177410 The FBI actually said there was a surge in hate crimes in 2015. This in no way confirms the post-election surge of social media stories as he pretends it does. (Which makes his tweet a fake viral claim that a story about fake viral hate crime claims is fake. Confusing, I know.)

dao- 10y ago
> We're meant to accept those fake viral stories [snip] And now /you/ are calling those reports fake without presenting credible evidence. How does a misguided tweet about the Breitbart cesspit suddenly make Breitbart's claim right? So much confusion, I know.
- makomk 10y ago
  It doesn't, the fact that more reputable news organisations have contacted the local police and they've confirmed that several of the most prominent reports are fake does.[1] Ultimately the problem isn't that any one particular story turned out to be false, it's that social media spreads the most incendiary, terrifying stories regardless of truth and there's an atmosphere of hostility towards anyone questioning them. (Though this did lead to the confirmed fakes being the most successful, viral hate crime claims I saw post-election.) [1] http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/11/election-night-hijab-attack-false http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/11/election-night-hijab-attac... is a reasonable summary.
  - dao- 10y ago
    Thanks for the link. This seems to be a mix of straight-out fakes, misunderstandings, inaccuracies, missing police reports (not necessarily a proof for anything) etc. Is there an analyses that goes a bit further, maybe looking at the top X shared stories and counting how many of them turned out to be false vs. how many could be confirmed vs. how many we just can't proof or disproof? I think something like that would be needed to make a blanket statement like "those fake viral stories."