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Every other framework relies on JQuery so--yes, absolutely--it's still a thing. And if you don't work for a company that is in the JavaScript-framework-of-the-

Every other framework relies on JQuery so--yes, absolutely--it's still a thing. And if you don't work for a company that is in the JavaScript-framework-of-the-month mode, you should know JQuery is still king.

smegel 10y ago
They do? React, Angular, etc?
- colordrops 10y ago
  Angular 1 and Polymer 1 have a limited version of jquery integrated into the stack. Don't know about React, Angular 2, or Polymer 2 though.
- trose 10y ago
  yes, Angular requires jquery for selectors. React I'm pretty sure doesn't.
danesparza 10y ago
I know for a fact that React doesn't. And it's now possible to do quite a bit of element selection (and style flipping), AJAX, and JSON manipulation with pure javascript. That being said, I agree with your last statement. For better or worse, jQuery still seems to be king.
georgedrummond 10y ago
> Every other framework relies on JQuery This just isn't true. OP mentioned React, Vue.js, and Mithril. None of these use jQuery as a dependency. Neither does Angular, Backbone, or Ember.js.
- Rumudiez 10y ago
  Angular 1.x uses a version of JQ Lite, and will utilize jQuery if it's already loaded on the page. That being said, I don't think knowing jQuery is very valuable for JS developers anymore. Browser standards have come a long way and frameworks are handling your DOM writes for you, so that major use case for jQuery is gone in any website that requires substantial scripting.
  - gremlinsinc 10y ago
    Really? what if you have to support legacy apps that are 100% jquery on the frontend / php on the back? It's VERY much still a thing..
- Bjorkbat 10y ago
  Well, technically jQuery is listed as dependency in the bower.json file for Ember. But I think that's really only so the Ember jQuery wrapper will work properly. So you're still right.
grayrest 10y ago
No popular current generation framework relies on jQuery. The most recent one I can come up with is Angular 1's reliance on their jQlite micro-library but would use the full jQuery if it was on the page.
- Raed667 10y ago
  OpenUI5 [0] relies on jQuery [0] http://openui5.org/ http://openui5.org/
  - grayrest 10y ago
    I'd never heard of this library and I spend a couple hours a day reading developer news so I wouldn't call this popular. I'd also argue that this as a current generation framework. I only did a brief skim but the patterns remind me of a Knockout or Enyo codebase with data binding between components doing explicit dom manipulation. The contributors tab shows a 2014 start but I'd have guessed a 2010-2011 start from looking at the code.
    - jorgthuijls 10y ago
      You'd be surprised. UI5 is made by SAP as their go-to UI technology. SAP's profit last year was over 6B euro and it's used in almost every large enterprise out there. It's just hard to see as a tech company because it's not consumer facing. I'm an SAP and UI5 developer.
      - grayrest 10y ago
        I hope you don't take my comment as too much of an insult to your work. I consider the hallmarks of the current generation of frameworks to be component composition, framework based change synchronization (KVO, diffing, dirty checking), and the avoidance of DOM interaction (jsx, templates). Not being on the newest trend doesn't automatically make something bad and it's clear that you and your team put significant effort into your framework so I'll have to do a much more thorough investigation before I have a real opinion on it.
Egidius 10y ago
I haven't touched jQuery in over 2 years. It's not necessary anymore as the browsers I support are following standards. Even though the syntax is a little bit nicer than vanilla js I don't see any real advantage in using jQuery anymore. jQuery did a lot for the web (it pushed browsers to keeping standards and it brought native implementations like querySelector), but I think the time has come to move on.
baybal2 10y ago
No it isn't. A better way to state that: "Is jQuery omnipresent now? Yes. Will jQuery earn you as much money as on the peak of first gen webapps craze? No, totally no" I myself was earning CAD $90k just in plain salary at the time when jQuery craze was on its peak and when "a dedicated front-end developer" meant a jQuery developer Honestly saying, I had no realisation how shitty my code was back then, and now I feel ridiculous when I realise how much a bad dev can earn as long as he does something considered "trendy"

smegel 10y ago

They do? React, Angular, etc?

colordrops 10y ago
Angular 1 and Polymer 1 have a limited version of jquery integrated into the stack. Don't know about React, Angular 2, or Polymer 2 though.
trose 10y ago
yes, Angular requires jquery for selectors. React I'm pretty sure doesn't.

danesparza 10y ago

I know for a fact that React doesn't. And it's now possible to do quite a bit of element selection (and style flipping), AJAX, and JSON manipulation with pure javascript. That being said, I agree with your last statement. For better or worse, jQuery still seems to be king.

georgedrummond 10y ago

> Every other framework relies on JQuery This just isn't true. OP mentioned React, Vue.js, and Mithril. None of these use jQuery as a dependency. Neither does Angular, Backbone, or Ember.js.

Rumudiez 10y ago
Angular 1.x uses a version of JQ Lite, and will utilize jQuery if it's already loaded on the page. That being said, I don't think knowing jQuery is very valuable for JS developers anymore. Browser standards have come a long way and frameworks are handling your DOM writes for you, so that major use case for jQuery is gone in any website that requires substantial scripting.
- gremlinsinc 10y ago
  Really? what if you have to support legacy apps that are 100% jquery on the frontend / php on the back? It's VERY much still a thing..
Bjorkbat 10y ago
Well, technically jQuery is listed as dependency in the bower.json file for Ember. But I think that's really only so the Ember jQuery wrapper will work properly. So you're still right.

grayrest 10y ago

No popular current generation framework relies on jQuery. The most recent one I can come up with is Angular 1's reliance on their jQlite micro-library but would use the full jQuery if it was on the page.

Raed667 10y ago
OpenUI5 [0] relies on jQuery [0] http://openui5.org/ http://openui5.org/
- grayrest 10y ago
  I'd never heard of this library and I spend a couple hours a day reading developer news so I wouldn't call this popular. I'd also argue that this as a current generation framework. I only did a brief skim but the patterns remind me of a Knockout or Enyo codebase with data binding between components doing explicit dom manipulation. The contributors tab shows a 2014 start but I'd have guessed a 2010-2011 start from looking at the code.
  - jorgthuijls 10y ago
    You'd be surprised. UI5 is made by SAP as their go-to UI technology. SAP's profit last year was over 6B euro and it's used in almost every large enterprise out there. It's just hard to see as a tech company because it's not consumer facing. I'm an SAP and UI5 developer.
    - grayrest 10y ago
      I hope you don't take my comment as too much of an insult to your work. I consider the hallmarks of the current generation of frameworks to be component composition, framework based change synchronization (KVO, diffing, dirty checking), and the avoidance of DOM interaction (jsx, templates). Not being on the newest trend doesn't automatically make something bad and it's clear that you and your team put significant effort into your framework so I'll have to do a much more thorough investigation before I have a real opinion on it.

Egidius 10y ago

I haven't touched jQuery in over 2 years. It's not necessary anymore as the browsers I support are following standards. Even though the syntax is a little bit nicer than vanilla js I don't see any real advantage in using jQuery anymore. jQuery did a lot for the web (it pushed browsers to keeping standards and it brought native implementations like querySelector), but I think the time has come to move on.

baybal2 10y ago

No it isn't. A better way to state that: "Is jQuery omnipresent now? Yes. Will jQuery earn you as much money as on the peak of first gen webapps craze? No, totally no" I myself was earning CAD $90k just in plain salary at the time when jQuery craze was on its peak and when "a dedicated front-end developer" meant a jQuery developer Honestly saying, I had no realisation how shitty my code was back then, and now I feel ridiculous when I realise how much a bad dev can earn as long as he does something considered "trendy"