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I think the downvotes are likely a result of the tone of your comment rather than whatever point you were trying to make.

blahi 10y ago
The tone is part of the point he is trying to make. You guys are all inclusive but when somebody says they don't want refugees in Sweeden, they are downvotted into oblivion. God forbid you insist on your 2nd amendment rights. And God forbid you want Trump as president who actually had an agenda vs. the "$200 million for speaking engagements" Hillary Clinton. Safe spaces should be burned to the ground.
- malnourish 10y ago
  Why exactly should safe spaces be burned to the ground?
  - tunap 10y ago
    Not a big issue for me, most media-driven issues have no bearing on my day-to-day directly, luckily. Until noise on the line could be considred an assault on intelligence, I could care less what media-darling group is being given more attention than they merit, but here's my guess: Because "safe spaces" inspire unrealistic expectations of the real world and foster dependence and normalization of more institutional controls over the rest of the populace, perhaps.
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- fdgdasfadsf 10y ago
  You right to free speech does not include the right for others to disagree with you, for them to not listen to you, or even for them to not like you because of what you say - they are also exercising their own freedom of speech by doing so. Furthermore traditionally we have drawn line beyond which speech is not free (for example shouting fire in a crowded theatre is traditionally not allowed).
  - blahi 10y ago
    >You right to free speech does not include the right for others to disagree with you, for them to not listen to you, or even for them to not like you because of what you say That's exactly my point!
    - fdgdasfadsf 10y ago
      OK cool. But by downvoting they are exercising free speech. (As an aside I tend to read downvoted comments first because I want to see why they were downvoted. It's more of a highlight than a downvote for me.)
      - blahi 10y ago
        No, they are unwilling to consider the merits of another point of view. They are doing exactly what they are preaching against. This is why Trump is president. Dismissing everything you disagree with. No point in listening, no point in thinking. You already know what the other side has to say, right? So you listen with half ear and wait patiently to tell them how wrong they are.
        fdgdasfadsf 10y ago
        So would you suggest we should have a safe space where people have to listen to each other? I will defend people's right to say things I don't like hearing. However I will also defend other people's right to not listen (as long as they don't try to prevent the speech from happening) - that is also a freedom. To modify a quote: Your liberty to speak ends where I am forced to listen to what you are saying, my freedom to not listen ends where I prevent you from speaking. Downvoting does not prevent the speech from happening. It merely says I don't like this. Flagging does...
        blahi 10y ago
        >my freedom to not listen ends where I prevent you from speaking. But that is exactly what is happening. Liberals, or libtards would be the more correct term, are drowning everything they think they disagree with, creating echo chambers. This is what divided our societies and brought us Trump, Farage, LePen, etc.
- toor2 10y ago
  It seems that you don't understand what safe spaces actually are. Safe spaces are places where marginalized groups such as LGBTQAI, racial and religious minorities, etc can express them selves without fear of violence

blahi 10y ago

The tone is part of the point he is trying to make. You guys are all inclusive but when somebody says they don't want refugees in Sweeden, they are downvotted into oblivion. God forbid you insist on your 2nd amendment rights. And God forbid you want Trump as president who actually had an agenda vs. the "$200 million for speaking engagements" Hillary Clinton. Safe spaces should be burned to the ground.

malnourish 10y ago
Why exactly should safe spaces be burned to the ground?
- tunap 10y ago
  Not a big issue for me, most media-driven issues have no bearing on my day-to-day directly, luckily. Until noise on the line could be considred an assault on intelligence, I could care less what media-darling group is being given more attention than they merit, but here's my guess: Because "safe spaces" inspire unrealistic expectations of the real world and foster dependence and normalization of more institutional controls over the rest of the populace, perhaps.
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fdgdasfadsf 10y ago
You right to free speech does not include the right for others to disagree with you, for them to not listen to you, or even for them to not like you because of what you say - they are also exercising their own freedom of speech by doing so. Furthermore traditionally we have drawn line beyond which speech is not free (for example shouting fire in a crowded theatre is traditionally not allowed).
- blahi 10y ago
  >You right to free speech does not include the right for others to disagree with you, for them to not listen to you, or even for them to not like you because of what you say That's exactly my point!
  - fdgdasfadsf 10y ago
    OK cool. But by downvoting they are exercising free speech. (As an aside I tend to read downvoted comments first because I want to see why they were downvoted. It's more of a highlight than a downvote for me.)
    - blahi 10y ago
      No, they are unwilling to consider the merits of another point of view. They are doing exactly what they are preaching against. This is why Trump is president. Dismissing everything you disagree with. No point in listening, no point in thinking. You already know what the other side has to say, right? So you listen with half ear and wait patiently to tell them how wrong they are.
      - fdgdasfadsf 10y ago
        So would you suggest we should have a safe space where people have to listen to each other? I will defend people's right to say things I don't like hearing. However I will also defend other people's right to not listen (as long as they don't try to prevent the speech from happening) - that is also a freedom. To modify a quote: Your liberty to speak ends where I am forced to listen to what you are saying, my freedom to not listen ends where I prevent you from speaking. Downvoting does not prevent the speech from happening. It merely says I don't like this. Flagging does...
        blahi 10y ago
        >my freedom to not listen ends where I prevent you from speaking. But that is exactly what is happening. Liberals, or libtards would be the more correct term, are drowning everything they think they disagree with, creating echo chambers. This is what divided our societies and brought us Trump, Farage, LePen, etc.
toor2 10y ago
It seems that you don't understand what safe spaces actually are. Safe spaces are places where marginalized groups such as LGBTQAI, racial and religious minorities, etc can express them selves without fear of violence