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Why would someone down vote an opinion that they are okay with Java? It added to the conversation. Personally I prefer C# and Swift to Java but others idea are

by baldfat 10y ago

Why would someone down vote an opinion that they are okay with Java? It added to the conversation. Personally I prefer C# and Swift to Java but others idea are just as valid.

bengale 10y ago
It was probably more the 'no thanks'. Got mine sort of mentality, two can co-exist.
mikestew 10y ago
The implication is "I have no interest in this because I'm happy with what I have". Okay, that's fine, please enjoy your Java and build wonderful things. Oh, BTW, why are you typing into a reply box on a thread you have no interest in? And the implication there is because your tool is a poopy head and I wanted to subtly point that out by expressing my lack of interest. So, yeah, go away because that's not contributing to the conversation.
- kuschku 10y ago
  > So, yeah, go away because that's not contributing to the conversation. Well, maybe there’s another implication. Google switching to C# would lead to them neglecting and deprecating the Java ecosystem on Android. That’s gonna be real ugly for app devs, ending up having to rewrite everything. So, maybe, there is a real contribution in the comment, which you just haven’t seen yet?
  - lagadu 10y ago
    I don't think anyone is suggesting Google should drop Java, just that C# should be made a first class citizen, side-by-side with Java.
    - kuschku 10y ago
      Yet, that’s what’d happen. Google hasn’t even managed to support C++ alongside of Java as first class citizen, adding yet another one would make the situation even worse.
Drdrdrq 10y ago
Imho people are just expressing their disagreement. I know downvote is not meant for that, but I think HN is to blame here. If you have two arrows, one up and one down, why is up for agreement while down is not for disagreement, but for "this doesn't add to conversation"? The actions should be opposite, or they should use different icons.
- wehadfun 10y ago
  Really good point!
optimiz3 10y ago
An opinion without justification adds nothing.
- criddell 10y ago
  Care to justify that opinion?
  - optimiz3 10y ago
    A useful opinion is the result of some thought process and set of inputs. By not explaining that thought process or its set of inputs, it is impossible for others to validate whether an opinion is reasonable and/or useful.
tzs 10y ago
> Why would someone down vote an opinion that they are okay with Java? Paul Graham once said [1]: I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement. Obviously the uparrows aren't only for applauding politeness, so it seems reasonable that the downarrows aren't only for booing rudeness. It only becomes abuse when people resort to karma bombing: downvoting a lot of comments by one user without reading them in order to subtract maximum karma. Fortunately we now have several levels of software to protect against that. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 Many have taken this to mean that down voting a comment when they disagree with the opinion therein, no matter how well it argues that opinion and no matter how much it contributes to the conversation, is fine.
- baldfat 10y ago
  This is the number one reason why I looked for a different place and was hoping lobst.er would have taken off. The down vote causes the comment to be dimmed and seen as a rejection to the comment. It is very frustrating when the top right side is your name and your "Hacker News Points" so I don't get why the down vote if you disagree. A down vote kills the conversation.

by baldfat 10y ago

Why would someone down vote an opinion that they are okay with Java? It added to the conversation. Personally I prefer C# and Swift to Java but others idea are just as valid.

bengale 10y ago

It was probably more the 'no thanks'. Got mine sort of mentality, two can co-exist.

mikestew 10y ago

The implication is "I have no interest in this because I'm happy with what I have". Okay, that's fine, please enjoy your Java and build wonderful things. Oh, BTW, why are you typing into a reply box on a thread you have no interest in? And the implication there is because your tool is a poopy head and I wanted to subtly point that out by expressing my lack of interest. So, yeah, go away because that's not contributing to the conversation.

kuschku 10y ago
> So, yeah, go away because that's not contributing to the conversation. Well, maybe there’s another implication. Google switching to C# would lead to them neglecting and deprecating the Java ecosystem on Android. That’s gonna be real ugly for app devs, ending up having to rewrite everything. So, maybe, there is a real contribution in the comment, which you just haven’t seen yet?
- lagadu 10y ago
  I don't think anyone is suggesting Google should drop Java, just that C# should be made a first class citizen, side-by-side with Java.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    Yet, that’s what’d happen. Google hasn’t even managed to support C++ alongside of Java as first class citizen, adding yet another one would make the situation even worse.

Drdrdrq 10y ago

Imho people are just expressing their disagreement. I know downvote is not meant for that, but I think HN is to blame here. If you have two arrows, one up and one down, why is up for agreement while down is not for disagreement, but for "this doesn't add to conversation"? The actions should be opposite, or they should use different icons.

wehadfun 10y ago
Really good point!

optimiz3 10y ago

An opinion without justification adds nothing.

criddell 10y ago
Care to justify that opinion?
- optimiz3 10y ago
  A useful opinion is the result of some thought process and set of inputs. By not explaining that thought process or its set of inputs, it is impossible for others to validate whether an opinion is reasonable and/or useful.

tzs 10y ago

> Why would someone down vote an opinion that they are okay with Java? Paul Graham once said [1]: I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement. Obviously the uparrows aren't only for applauding politeness, so it seems reasonable that the downarrows aren't only for booing rudeness. It only becomes abuse when people resort to karma bombing: downvoting a lot of comments by one user without reading them in order to subtract maximum karma. Fortunately we now have several levels of software to protect against that. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 Many have taken this to mean that down voting a comment when they disagree with the opinion therein, no matter how well it argues that opinion and no matter how much it contributes to the conversation, is fine.

baldfat 10y ago
This is the number one reason why I looked for a different place and was hoping lobst.er would have taken off. The down vote causes the comment to be dimmed and seen as a rejection to the comment. It is very frustrating when the top right side is your name and your "Hacker News Points" so I don't get why the down vote if you disagree. A down vote kills the conversation.