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Looks like MS is making mostly small changes, focusing on improving the features they already have instead of introducing lots of new changes.

gigatexal 10y ago
They're integrating xamarin into visual studio. That's pretty big no?
- oblio 10y ago
  It is.
- asdfologist 10y ago
  Is the new xamarin going to be any less buggy?
  - joshka 10y ago
    My experience with reporting a bug in Xamarin the other day was that it was fairly quickly reproduced and fixed. If you're hitting bugs I'd really recommend reporting them if you're not already.
AshleyGrant 10y ago
I believe the install experience is getting a lot better as well.
- Maarten88 10y ago
  At the Build conference they had a demo where they "forgot" to install VS before the presentation, and then installed it from an USB stick in about one minute. I'm installing now, but not from USB...
  - LyalinDotCom 10y ago
    Visual Studio 2017 installer experience is one of our biggest investments, we know this has been a pain for folks and we're committed to doing everything we can here. Check out our detailed blog post on the topic: Visual Studio “15”: Installing Just What You Need https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/04/05/visual-studio-15-installing-just-what-you-need/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/04/05/vis...
    - paulmd 10y ago
      Thanks a bunch for this. I've always had huge problems with the installer. I try to minimize this by installing it on an absolutely clean Windows installation. It's usually the first major thing I install after Windows Update patches and a few minor apps like 7zip and Chrome (used to use WinCdEmu back when I had VS Pro from Sparkfun instead of VS CE). I do this deliberately to try and minimize issues and I still have tons of issues with crashes during the install, and it is pretty much an overnight thing on many systems (or at least multiple hours). It's to the point where I will image the system so I can quickly blow down a clean image and give it another try. I feel like part of this is the Windows team screwing you. OS upgrades are always tricky and the "system reset" thing does not actually work as fully as people expect that it does (eg it still keeps system files/drivers, config/registry, etc). My success rates were always higher with a 100% clean OS install, format everything and installing from a Media Creation Tool system image. My success rates have also been going up over time, and I'm sure both the VS team and the Windows team are coming at it from both sides, so props. Keep it up with the DotNet environment too, the open-source direction is really important because it catalyzes the tooling and infrastructure that's been missing from the DotNet ecosystem. I mostly program in Java right now because of the end-to-end tooling and environment flexibility, but I really would prefer to work in C# and in the last 2 years you've made huge strides to making that possible. I realize this is a totally different team, but right now my single biggest beef with MS products is the fact that major Windows updates usually reset all my settings. Things like ClassicShell need to be reinstalled each time, it forgets all my taskbar preferences, it forgets all my file associations, etc. The last one is particularly aggravating, especially when MS reps claim it's just because apps are setting associations by themselves when you are supposed to do it through the Windows interface. First off that's a terrible UI experience, but it nevertheless does reset anyway even if you do it through the Windows UI. People are going to hate updates a lot less if they don't insist on (metaphorically) playing with all my settings on my stereo. Please whisper that in someone's ear if you ever get the chance. But overall MS products are really picking up steam after a prolonged era of poor quality. Windows 8.1 was fantastic, 10 is even faster. VS2012 was much better than 2007/2008 and 2015 CE has been great too.
UK-AL 10y ago
Generally a good approach to take with something like VS.
StephanTLavavej 10y ago
In MSVC's STL we're making major changes, adding lots of features in pursuit of C++17 conformance. Among other things, we've added several new headers between VS 2015 Update 3 and VS 2017 RC (<string_view>, <optional>, <variant>, <any>), and we've totally overhauled std::vector's implementation for correctness and performance.

gigatexal 10y ago

They're integrating xamarin into visual studio. That's pretty big no?

oblio 10y ago
It is.
asdfologist 10y ago
Is the new xamarin going to be any less buggy?
- joshka 10y ago
  My experience with reporting a bug in Xamarin the other day was that it was fairly quickly reproduced and fixed. If you're hitting bugs I'd really recommend reporting them if you're not already.

AshleyGrant 10y ago

I believe the install experience is getting a lot better as well.

Maarten88 10y ago
At the Build conference they had a demo where they "forgot" to install VS before the presentation, and then installed it from an USB stick in about one minute. I'm installing now, but not from USB...
- LyalinDotCom 10y ago
  Visual Studio 2017 installer experience is one of our biggest investments, we know this has been a pain for folks and we're committed to doing everything we can here. Check out our detailed blog post on the topic: Visual Studio “15”: Installing Just What You Need https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/04/05/visual-studio-15-installing-just-what-you-need/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/visualstudio/2016/04/05/vis...
  - paulmd 10y ago
    Thanks a bunch for this. I've always had huge problems with the installer. I try to minimize this by installing it on an absolutely clean Windows installation. It's usually the first major thing I install after Windows Update patches and a few minor apps like 7zip and Chrome (used to use WinCdEmu back when I had VS Pro from Sparkfun instead of VS CE). I do this deliberately to try and minimize issues and I still have tons of issues with crashes during the install, and it is pretty much an overnight thing on many systems (or at least multiple hours). It's to the point where I will image the system so I can quickly blow down a clean image and give it another try. I feel like part of this is the Windows team screwing you. OS upgrades are always tricky and the "system reset" thing does not actually work as fully as people expect that it does (eg it still keeps system files/drivers, config/registry, etc). My success rates were always higher with a 100% clean OS install, format everything and installing from a Media Creation Tool system image. My success rates have also been going up over time, and I'm sure both the VS team and the Windows team are coming at it from both sides, so props. Keep it up with the DotNet environment too, the open-source direction is really important because it catalyzes the tooling and infrastructure that's been missing from the DotNet ecosystem. I mostly program in Java right now because of the end-to-end tooling and environment flexibility, but I really would prefer to work in C# and in the last 2 years you've made huge strides to making that possible. I realize this is a totally different team, but right now my single biggest beef with MS products is the fact that major Windows updates usually reset all my settings. Things like ClassicShell need to be reinstalled each time, it forgets all my taskbar preferences, it forgets all my file associations, etc. The last one is particularly aggravating, especially when MS reps claim it's just because apps are setting associations by themselves when you are supposed to do it through the Windows interface. First off that's a terrible UI experience, but it nevertheless does reset anyway even if you do it through the Windows UI. People are going to hate updates a lot less if they don't insist on (metaphorically) playing with all my settings on my stereo. Please whisper that in someone's ear if you ever get the chance. But overall MS products are really picking up steam after a prolonged era of poor quality. Windows 8.1 was fantastic, 10 is even faster. VS2012 was much better than 2007/2008 and 2015 CE has been great too.

UK-AL 10y ago

Generally a good approach to take with something like VS.

StephanTLavavej 10y ago

In MSVC's STL we're making major changes, adding lots of features in pursuit of C++17 conformance. Among other things, we've added several new headers between VS 2015 Update 3 and VS 2017 RC (<string_view>, <optional>, <variant>, <any>), and we've totally overhauled std::vector's implementation for correctness and performance.