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I don't think it's painting one group as a whole at all. No one is suggesting that all or most Trump supporters are racist. Only that many alt-right figure head

I don't think it's painting one group as a whole at all. No one is suggesting that all or most Trump supporters are racist. Only that many alt-right figure heads are. It's not a heavy claim. With Steve Bannon being appointed to the upcoming White House staff, there's been a parade of examples illustrating the blatant racism of alt-right figureheads. While I appreciate the sentiment that Democrats lost the election by painting much of the population (uncritically) in very broad unflattering strokes, I don't really think the trend of people saying "Well you just can't talk about a group of people as a whole" is going to last. If you're unwilling to discuss groups of people as a single entity, the entire field of social science makes little sense. I think maybe that we've lost sight of the fact that any time we talk about a group of people, we're really implicitly having a statistical discussion.

cmdrfred 10y ago
"No one is suggesting that all or most Trump supporters are racist." I have seen that claim hundreds of times in the past few days.
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  There's a difference between being intentionally and accidentally racist. That is often dropped in conversation, which is why you see different sides disagreeing on that.
- vorotato 10y ago
  In this specific thread? I think context is relevant here.
tomp 10y ago
> With Steve Bannon being appointed to the upcoming White House staff, there's been a parade of examples illustrating the blatant racism of alt-right figureheads. I've looked at all the articles claiming that Bannon is "bad" (they use different words, of course), and I'm completely unconvinced. Seems like more of the "all Trump supporters are racist" meme.
- alva 10y ago
  The last year of news has pushed me more than ever to read/listen to primary sources. Things have become so distorted left or right, that it seems like the responsible thing to do. Regarding the attacks towards Steve Bannon, I agree. They are only using examples of what other people who don't like him have said. Here is a great speech and Q+A he gave regarding Judeo-Christian values at the highly respected Dignitatis Humanae Institute [0]. Having listened to this speech amongst others, alongside his writings I can only conclude that what is being pushed are simply smears. Breitbart has taken so much power and money away from the mainstream publications, it is in their interests to take him down. [0] https://soundcloud.com/buzzfeednews/steve-bannon-at-dhi#c=16& https://soundcloud.com/buzzfeednews/steve-bannon-at-dhi#c=16... edit: If anyone would like to dispute my opinion, please for good discussion provide primary sources that originate directly from Steven Bannon. edit edit: please take a look at the Ask HN I have posted here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12967873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12967873
  - remarkEon 10y ago
    Replying just to post the text of that speech you linked (since the audio is kind of bad), which I also stumbled on the other day in trying to figure this guy out. https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.lnvRzrZrZ#.tcY75q4q4 https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-banno...
LyndsySimon 10y ago
> No one is suggesting that all or most Trump supporters are racist. "You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.” - Hillary Clinton, Sep 2016
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  Not all of them. They’re people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
- jinfiesto 10y ago
  Many Democrats, myself included thought that particular statement was unnecessarily incendiary. Though, in the bit of text that you quoted, I was mostly referring to the context of this thread. I don't think that there's any doubt that much of the liberal media has broadly painted all Trump supporters as being racists, bigots and xenophobes.
  - makomk 10y ago
    I saw a lot of people on my Twitter feed at the time arguing that actually, half was an understatement and that Clinton should never have backed down on this.
- tzs 10y ago
  Half is an exaggeration, but they do seem a lot more common among Trump supporters than among Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Bush, and Kasich supporters. Spend a while in /r/the_donald.
  - jazzyk 10y ago
    People who frequent that subreddit do not even amount to 0.00001% of the Trump electorate.

cmdrfred 10y ago

"No one is suggesting that all or most Trump supporters are racist." I have seen that claim hundreds of times in the past few days.

Mithaldu 10y ago
There's a difference between being intentionally and accidentally racist. That is often dropped in conversation, which is why you see different sides disagreeing on that.
vorotato 10y ago
In this specific thread? I think context is relevant here.

tomp 10y ago

> With Steve Bannon being appointed to the upcoming White House staff, there's been a parade of examples illustrating the blatant racism of alt-right figureheads. I've looked at all the articles claiming that Bannon is "bad" (they use different words, of course), and I'm completely unconvinced. Seems like more of the "all Trump supporters are racist" meme.

alva 10y ago
The last year of news has pushed me more than ever to read/listen to primary sources. Things have become so distorted left or right, that it seems like the responsible thing to do. Regarding the attacks towards Steve Bannon, I agree. They are only using examples of what other people who don't like him have said. Here is a great speech and Q+A he gave regarding Judeo-Christian values at the highly respected Dignitatis Humanae Institute [0]. Having listened to this speech amongst others, alongside his writings I can only conclude that what is being pushed are simply smears. Breitbart has taken so much power and money away from the mainstream publications, it is in their interests to take him down. [0] https://soundcloud.com/buzzfeednews/steve-bannon-at-dhi#c=16& https://soundcloud.com/buzzfeednews/steve-bannon-at-dhi#c=16... edit: If anyone would like to dispute my opinion, please for good discussion provide primary sources that originate directly from Steven Bannon. edit edit: please take a look at the Ask HN I have posted here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12967873 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12967873
- remarkEon 10y ago
  Replying just to post the text of that speech you linked (since the audio is kind of bad), which I also stumbled on the other day in trying to figure this guy out. https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-bannon-sees-the-entire-world?utm_term=.lnvRzrZrZ#.tcY75q4q4 https://www.buzzfeed.com/lesterfeder/this-is-how-steve-banno...

LyndsySimon 10y ago

> No one is suggesting that all or most Trump supporters are racist. "You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.” - Hillary Clinton, Sep 2016

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
Not all of them. They’re people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
jinfiesto 10y ago
Many Democrats, myself included thought that particular statement was unnecessarily incendiary. Though, in the bit of text that you quoted, I was mostly referring to the context of this thread. I don't think that there's any doubt that much of the liberal media has broadly painted all Trump supporters as being racists, bigots and xenophobes.
- makomk 10y ago
  I saw a lot of people on my Twitter feed at the time arguing that actually, half was an understatement and that Clinton should never have backed down on this.
tzs 10y ago
Half is an exaggeration, but they do seem a lot more common among Trump supporters than among Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Bush, and Kasich supporters. Spend a while in /r/the_donald.
- jazzyk 10y ago
  People who frequent that subreddit do not even amount to 0.00001% of the Trump electorate.