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The very liberal users aren't inciting hate speech, racist, misogynistic, and often times anti semitic attacks on other users en masse

by legodt 10y ago

monkmartinez 10y ago
You aren't serious are you? The "alt-right" movement has put out several videos in recent days that shows just that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpi3F0E5ro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpi3F0E5ro
aaron-lebo 10y ago
You really just aren't looking: https://www.reddit.com/r/UofT/comments/4rr3ga/blm_toronto_white_people_are_subhuman_xpost/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UofT/comments/4rr3ga/blm_toronto_wh... That's Facebook but you can find blatantly racist, sexist, etc stuff from people on the left of the political spectrum on every major social network these days.
- legodt 10y ago
  This is clearly a satirical response to the type of logic used by white supremacists to bolster a concept of genetic superiority over other ethnicities. Imagine just for a moment being black and hearing the inverse of this statement every day online
  - aaron-lebo 10y ago
    Have you not heard of the Nation of Islam? You know that the 7/7 Dallas shooter (Micah Johnson) was inspired by black supremacist hate speech, right?
    - legodt 10y ago
      The nation of Islam is a horribly depressing group also standing on a platform kf misogyny and anti semitism. They are an extremist group that luckily has been waning in recent years. Also, unlike white people, they have never held a monopoly on power, instated discriminatory laws, stopped white people from securing proper jobs or housing, or became police offers that then killed white people with impunity.
      - aaron-lebo 10y ago
        Micah Johnson's online history shows he followed dozens of sites that focused on injustices committed on the black community. He visited and liked several websites dedicated to Black Lives Matter and the New Black Panthers, along with the Nation of Islam and the Black Riders Liberation Party, two groups the Southern Poverty Law Center considers hate groups. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/us/micah-johnson-dallas-radicalized-online/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/us/micah-johnson-dallas-radica...
        legodt 10y ago
        You are still correct, yes. Im not disputing that these hate groups exist. But being racist against white people doesn't really mean much when they still hold all of the institutional power. It's perfectly valid to feel threatened or upset by these groups that threaten you, but they are a small minority in a country that now has an open white supremacist appointed to a cabinet position in the white house and large, active groups of klans and neonazis. It's on a vastly different scale, and unlike white people, people of color are in danger every day for being who they are. Being attacked or discriminated against for your whutenrss in any meaningful way is very unlikely compared to the experiences a person of color faces in this country. (I am assuming you are in us, but let me know if I'm wrong)
        dliotev 10y ago
        "...being racist against white people doesn't really mean much..." In case you didn't know: these words incite hate towards a group of people based on their skin color. In other words, you are advocating racism. You've just exposed yourself as a racist.
        Sacho 10y ago
        I believe the parent is a proponent of the theory of racial relations that defines racism as "prejudice + power". I don't think I'm eloquent enough to sum up the idea, so here's a link to a paper that analyzes this proposed meaning among others: http://www.andover.edu/About/Newsroom/TheMagazine/Documents/8-PedOfRacismSWJournal.pdf http://www.andover.edu/About/Newsroom/TheMagazine/Documents/...
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    - CoryG89 10y ago
      I think it's a bit of a stretch to say for certain that his visiting of these sites is what inspired him to the shooting. Is it inconceivable that the thousands of police shootings over the past couple years, increasingly public, took a toll on this person who eventually could have become consumed by hate, prior to seeking out groups of others who can relate? That the seeking out of hate groups could be the symptom, rather than the disease? Personally, I don't find it surprising that out of the millions of black people that have been (and still are) oppressed by the police, that a few of them will be inspired to do something like this by their reality alone, without the need for outside influence.
altaway 10y ago
No, they are posting anti-white bigotry and threats to kill the President. Twitters "cultural background training" for its new mods surely contains the progressive stance that you can't be racist against white people.
- legodt 10y ago
  How can you be racist against the ruling, privileged class? Sure, white people can have it bad too, but we still have all the privilige and automatic perks. It isn't bigotry as much as self defense against how many white people are still deeply entrenched in racism. As a whole, white people are still oppressors.
  - newaccount3574 10y ago
    if you blame "white males" for everything and shoot down any counter-argument with "privilege" then yes, you're being racist, because you're stereotyping an entire race.
  - tomschlick 10y ago
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism > a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race Nothing in there about privilege. You can't just redefine a word because you say thats what it should mean. Every race can be racist.
    - legodt 10y ago
      The current axiom is that yes, anybody can have prejudiced views about anybody else. Sure, and it's perfectly fine and normal to feel hurt when you are getting the hit from it. But the way progressives talk about racism today is that racism is prejudice + power structures. You can be hated all day long for being a white person, but until people of color are pulling all the invisible power structures, it doesn't really go farther than that. This doesn't invalidate that people hurled terrible insults at you, but there are not any vast structures in place to systemically keep you down as a result of these prejudices.
MichaelBurge 10y ago
Just to give an example of how this would sound if it were reversed: Liberals are inciting violence using paid operatives(probably including the recent riots), have shot Trump supporters, use powerful institutions(Twitter, universities, etc.) to shut down speech they disagree with, and their most recent presidential candidate has historically been opposed to gay marriage and took foreign money from a country that executes gays. Liberals are also very racist, using zoning laws to exclude minorities from their gated communities in California. Rattling off a bunch of hate every time you think of the other side is how you get angry people.
- legodt 10y ago
  These are all true, and I'm not a liberal so I'm cool with this. There are things I don't like, such as your complaint about Twitter overstepping it's bounds. Hell, I'll even do you one better. Liberals love pipelining more people to prison, they love unnecessary voter registration beuracracy, and they love supporting institutions that keep the poor poorer and the rich richer. Racism is a bipartisan issue it's just that the alt right has been more vocal about their racism online recently while the left tends to hide it away while still quietly supporting it. Check out a trend dubbed "white feminism," it talks all about this
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- cmdrfred 10y ago
  "History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes" Mark my words, racist is the new communist. They didn't even bother to change the colors around, I guess that will save on printing up new propaganda. "You aren't a dirty red are you?"
ve55 10y ago
Hate exists on both sides. If you want to ban the hate from one side, why not ban the hate from all sides? Both sides have a lot of racism (and other forms of hate in general), but they likely look and feel quite different to very partisan observers. Once you start banning users for whichever type of hate you happen to dislike more than the others, things can go downhill quite quickly. Increasing the transparency around this subject would improve the situation. If twitter wants to ban people due to their speech, users should at least be informed why those users were banned, so that they can decide for themselves if they agree or not.
reitanqild 10y ago
I have been hanging around here on HN after the election and there was one group that IMO tried to portrait everyone but themselves as dumb half-humans. And it wasn't the republicans. It wasn't people from flyover country laughing about their victory. Edit: 2 down, no comments. And I have a weird feelings it isn't the republicans who are out to get me. ;-) I have enough points so feel free to illustrate my point.

The very liberal users aren't inciting hate speech, racist, misogynistic, and often times anti semitic attacks on other users en masse

by legodt 10y ago

The very liberal users aren't inciting hate speech, racist, misogynistic, and often times anti semitic attacks on other users en masse

monkmartinez 10y ago

You aren't serious are you? The "alt-right" movement has put out several videos in recent days that shows just that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpi3F0E5ro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXpi3F0E5ro

aaron-lebo 10y ago

You really just aren't looking: https://www.reddit.com/r/UofT/comments/4rr3ga/blm_toronto_white_people_are_subhuman_xpost/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UofT/comments/4rr3ga/blm_toronto_wh... That's Facebook but you can find blatantly racist, sexist, etc stuff from people on the left of the political spectrum on every major social network these days.

legodt 10y ago
This is clearly a satirical response to the type of logic used by white supremacists to bolster a concept of genetic superiority over other ethnicities. Imagine just for a moment being black and hearing the inverse of this statement every day online
- aaron-lebo 10y ago
  Have you not heard of the Nation of Islam? You know that the 7/7 Dallas shooter (Micah Johnson) was inspired by black supremacist hate speech, right?
  - legodt 10y ago
    The nation of Islam is a horribly depressing group also standing on a platform kf misogyny and anti semitism. They are an extremist group that luckily has been waning in recent years. Also, unlike white people, they have never held a monopoly on power, instated discriminatory laws, stopped white people from securing proper jobs or housing, or became police offers that then killed white people with impunity.
    - aaron-lebo 10y ago
      Micah Johnson's online history shows he followed dozens of sites that focused on injustices committed on the black community. He visited and liked several websites dedicated to Black Lives Matter and the New Black Panthers, along with the Nation of Islam and the Black Riders Liberation Party, two groups the Southern Poverty Law Center considers hate groups. http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/us/micah-johnson-dallas-radicalized-online/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/us/micah-johnson-dallas-radica...
      - legodt 10y ago
        You are still correct, yes. Im not disputing that these hate groups exist. But being racist against white people doesn't really mean much when they still hold all of the institutional power. It's perfectly valid to feel threatened or upset by these groups that threaten you, but they are a small minority in a country that now has an open white supremacist appointed to a cabinet position in the white house and large, active groups of klans and neonazis. It's on a vastly different scale, and unlike white people, people of color are in danger every day for being who they are. Being attacked or discriminated against for your whutenrss in any meaningful way is very unlikely compared to the experiences a person of color faces in this country. (I am assuming you are in us, but let me know if I'm wrong)
        dliotev 10y ago
        "...being racist against white people doesn't really mean much..." In case you didn't know: these words incite hate towards a group of people based on their skin color. In other words, you are advocating racism. You've just exposed yourself as a racist.
        Sacho 10y ago
        I believe the parent is a proponent of the theory of racial relations that defines racism as "prejudice + power". I don't think I'm eloquent enough to sum up the idea, so here's a link to a paper that analyzes this proposed meaning among others: http://www.andover.edu/About/Newsroom/TheMagazine/Documents/8-PedOfRacismSWJournal.pdf http://www.andover.edu/About/Newsroom/TheMagazine/Documents/...
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  - CoryG89 10y ago
    I think it's a bit of a stretch to say for certain that his visiting of these sites is what inspired him to the shooting. Is it inconceivable that the thousands of police shootings over the past couple years, increasingly public, took a toll on this person who eventually could have become consumed by hate, prior to seeking out groups of others who can relate? That the seeking out of hate groups could be the symptom, rather than the disease? Personally, I don't find it surprising that out of the millions of black people that have been (and still are) oppressed by the police, that a few of them will be inspired to do something like this by their reality alone, without the need for outside influence.

altaway 10y ago

No, they are posting anti-white bigotry and threats to kill the President. Twitters "cultural background training" for its new mods surely contains the progressive stance that you can't be racist against white people.

legodt 10y ago
How can you be racist against the ruling, privileged class? Sure, white people can have it bad too, but we still have all the privilige and automatic perks. It isn't bigotry as much as self defense against how many white people are still deeply entrenched in racism. As a whole, white people are still oppressors.
- newaccount3574 10y ago
  if you blame "white males" for everything and shoot down any counter-argument with "privilege" then yes, you're being racist, because you're stereotyping an entire race.
- tomschlick 10y ago
  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/racism https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racism > a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race Nothing in there about privilege. You can't just redefine a word because you say thats what it should mean. Every race can be racist.
  - legodt 10y ago
    The current axiom is that yes, anybody can have prejudiced views about anybody else. Sure, and it's perfectly fine and normal to feel hurt when you are getting the hit from it. But the way progressives talk about racism today is that racism is prejudice + power structures. You can be hated all day long for being a white person, but until people of color are pulling all the invisible power structures, it doesn't really go farther than that. This doesn't invalidate that people hurled terrible insults at you, but there are not any vast structures in place to systemically keep you down as a result of these prejudices.

MichaelBurge 10y ago

Just to give an example of how this would sound if it were reversed: Liberals are inciting violence using paid operatives(probably including the recent riots), have shot Trump supporters, use powerful institutions(Twitter, universities, etc.) to shut down speech they disagree with, and their most recent presidential candidate has historically been opposed to gay marriage and took foreign money from a country that executes gays. Liberals are also very racist, using zoning laws to exclude minorities from their gated communities in California. Rattling off a bunch of hate every time you think of the other side is how you get angry people.

legodt 10y ago
These are all true, and I'm not a liberal so I'm cool with this. There are things I don't like, such as your complaint about Twitter overstepping it's bounds. Hell, I'll even do you one better. Liberals love pipelining more people to prison, they love unnecessary voter registration beuracracy, and they love supporting institutions that keep the poor poorer and the rich richer. Racism is a bipartisan issue it's just that the alt right has been more vocal about their racism online recently while the left tends to hide it away while still quietly supporting it. Check out a trend dubbed "white feminism," it talks all about this
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cmdrfred 10y ago
"History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes" Mark my words, racist is the new communist. They didn't even bother to change the colors around, I guess that will save on printing up new propaganda. "You aren't a dirty red are you?"

ve55 10y ago

Hate exists on both sides. If you want to ban the hate from one side, why not ban the hate from all sides? Both sides have a lot of racism (and other forms of hate in general), but they likely look and feel quite different to very partisan observers. Once you start banning users for whichever type of hate you happen to dislike more than the others, things can go downhill quite quickly. Increasing the transparency around this subject would improve the situation. If twitter wants to ban people due to their speech, users should at least be informed why those users were banned, so that they can decide for themselves if they agree or not.

reitanqild 10y ago

I have been hanging around here on HN after the election and there was one group that IMO tried to portrait everyone but themselves as dumb half-humans. And it wasn't the republicans. It wasn't people from flyover country laughing about their victory. Edit: 2 down, no comments. And I have a weird feelings it isn't the republicans who are out to get me. ;-) I have enough points so feel free to illustrate my point.