> In one sense, calculators and computers haven't made learning arithmetic and other math less important. On the contrary. As an aside, computers aren't really

> In one sense, calculators and computers haven't made learning arithmetic and other math less important. On the contrary. As an aside, computers aren't really leveraged in mathematics much, outside arithmetic. I've (badly) done some final year undergraduate maths, and found myself still having to jump through algebraic hoops, rather than focusing on the big picture. I am teaching myself statistics at the moment, and once I learn an equation, I let a CAS do it for me. Again, I am trying to use tools to take care of the lower level details - it's not really useful to do hairy integrals by hand when that's not that point or the level of what you are learning. At least that's my feeling.