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Why not edit your post to more accurately to say hundreds of German civilians died, along with over one thousand victims of German barbarity, who only died beca

Why not edit your post to more accurately to say hundreds of German civilians died, along with over one thousand victims of German barbarity, who only died because of German barbarity? Is there a specific reason why you only want to fixate on German victims?

cyberferret 10y ago
I include their number in the count of 'non combatants' that should not have been killed. I am sure that the local German civilians didn't have much to do with, nor condone, the Russian POWs or forced labourers in the area at the time. You seem to think that they need to be punished with extreme prejudice for having the temerity of accepting what the German leadership and military machine at the time did. My parents were kids in Malaysia during the Japanese, then the Allied occupation of that nation during WWII. They lived near a POW camp, and a forced labour site. They both (and their families confirmed) that while the Japanese treatment of POWs and such were atrocious, it was absolutely no different when the Allies took back control and the Japanese soldiers were on the receiving end. You've probably never (and never will) read that in history books though. My parents were not accepting of the treatment of either group of prisoners. In fact my mum and her mother used to regularly go down to the camp to collect prisoner clothing etc. to mend, and my father and his friend used to drop food to POW labourers working on bridges etc. But you are probably OK with the fact that my parents could have easily been unimportant 'collateral damage' (which my dad nearly was) during Allied bombing raids on Kuala Lumpur? [Clarification - I guess this is my reason for focusing on local civilian nationals as victims of war. Families in a German valley, kids playing on the streets of Aleppo - the moment you dismiss and forget them as 'acceptable casualties of war' and lump them in as 'the bad guy collective' is a sad one indeed]
- quirkafleeg 10y ago
  > I am sure that the local German civilians didn't have much to do with, nor condone, the Russian POWs or forced labourers in the area at the time. And I'm sure Allied bombers didn't want to kill anyone when they hit the dams, but that doesn't seem to prevent you being judgemental about it. What makes you "sure", BTW, that the Germans in that area didn't condone the Nazi policies of slave labour that resulted in so many people killed? > You seem to think that they need to be punished with extreme prejudice for having the temerity of accepting what the German leadership and military machine at the time did. You seem to like telling me what I think. Where did I say the Germans need to be punished with extreme prejudice, or anything even remotely like that? Stop being so hysterical. I'm questioning why you are so fixated with emphasizing German victims, while dismissing or showing little to no interest in non-German victims, because the only people I have ever seen doing that are Nazi sympathizers. > But you are probably OK with... There you go again, telling me what I think. Is this a tactic you find works in other arguments you have? > the moment you dismiss and forget them Who is forgetting them? I specifically said you should include all victims, and not just the Germans, which you refused to do. You're the one who is going out of your way to dismiss the fact that the majority of the people who died were not German, and only died because of German barbarity and racialist far-right policies. And I think it's pretty obvious now why you're doing that.
  - cyberferret 10y ago
    > I specifically said you should include all victims, and not just the Germans, which you refused to do I spelled out at least once, if not twice in this thread that I include them as part of the 'non combatants' killed in the raid, but it is clear that your hatred for the 'barbarity' of a nation is interfering with your ability to see that. But calling out anyone who simply asks "What about German civilians killed?" as neo-Nazis and Nazi sympathisers is, well, simply bloviating hysteria. You seem to be getting really upset about the downvotes you are getting, but just so it's understood, my karma balance here on HN does not let me downvote direct replies to my own comments, so it is clearly other members on here who are reacting to your views. I will be civil enough to stop short of actually labelling you as anything though, because I have no other knowledge about you to make such a judgement call. I don't think that derailing this thread any further with our discussion will be of benefit to anyone. Take a deep breath. Have a nice cup of tea, and I hope you have a great day.
    - quirkafleeg 10y ago
      > it is clear that your hatred for the 'barbarity' of a nation I do indeed hate the barbarity of Nazi Germany, as do most civilized people. Hardly surprising you'd be upset by that, since you're a Nazi sympathizer who has made it quite clear in this thread how much you hate the WW2 Allies, dismissing Allied casualties, claiming the Allies were worse than the Japanese, and lying about Allied atrocities that no history book mentions (for obvious reasons). > But calling out anyone who simply asks "What about German civilians killed?" as neo-Nazis and Nazi sympathisers is, well, simply bloviating hysteria. Remembering Germans who were killed is one thing. Focusing on nothing but German casualties, ignoring the vast majority of victims because they were not German (and were in fact victims of Germany), and criticizing and smearing the Allies is what outs you as a neo-Nazi. Who do you think you're kidding here? > You seem to be getting really upset about the downvotes you are getting "But the downvotes that my comment above (and no doubt this one) gets...". Your words, not mine. Not only complaining that your post with false information was (quite rightly) downvoted, and complaining about downvotes you hadn't even received, but even unhappy that an informative post about horrific Allied casualties was (according to you) upvoted. Unbelievable. > I will be civil enough to stop short of actually labelling you as anything though, because I have no other knowledge about you to make such a judgement call. Having no knowledge didn't stop you posting this crap: "You probably have an 'acceptable number' of women and children that can be destroyed" "You seem to be equating all the German population in WWII as Nazis" "You seem to think that they need to be punished with extreme prejudice" "you are probably OK with the fact that my parents could have easily been unimportant 'collateral damage'" > I don't think that derailing this thread any further with our discussion will be of benefit to anyone. What was the benefit of derailing it in the first place? What was the benefit of your other posts here, in a thread about heroism and bravery against one of the most evil regimes in history, repeatedly criticizing the Allies? If you're going to deny being a Nazi, as Nazis are prone to do when outed, try not quack so loudly in future.

cyberferret 10y ago

I include their number in the count of 'non combatants' that should not have been killed. I am sure that the local German civilians didn't have much to do with, nor condone, the Russian POWs or forced labourers in the area at the time. You seem to think that they need to be punished with extreme prejudice for having the temerity of accepting what the German leadership and military machine at the time did. My parents were kids in Malaysia during the Japanese, then the Allied occupation of that nation during WWII. They lived near a POW camp, and a forced labour site. They both (and their families confirmed) that while the Japanese treatment of POWs and such were atrocious, it was absolutely no different when the Allies took back control and the Japanese soldiers were on the receiving end. You've probably never (and never will) read that in history books though. My parents were not accepting of the treatment of either group of prisoners. In fact my mum and her mother used to regularly go down to the camp to collect prisoner clothing etc. to mend, and my father and his friend used to drop food to POW labourers working on bridges etc. But you are probably OK with the fact that my parents could have easily been unimportant 'collateral damage' (which my dad nearly was) during Allied bombing raids on Kuala Lumpur? [Clarification - I guess this is my reason for focusing on local civilian nationals as victims of war. Families in a German valley, kids playing on the streets of Aleppo - the moment you dismiss and forget them as 'acceptable casualties of war' and lump them in as 'the bad guy collective' is a sad one indeed]

quirkafleeg 10y ago
> I am sure that the local German civilians didn't have much to do with, nor condone, the Russian POWs or forced labourers in the area at the time. And I'm sure Allied bombers didn't want to kill anyone when they hit the dams, but that doesn't seem to prevent you being judgemental about it. What makes you "sure", BTW, that the Germans in that area didn't condone the Nazi policies of slave labour that resulted in so many people killed? > You seem to think that they need to be punished with extreme prejudice for having the temerity of accepting what the German leadership and military machine at the time did. You seem to like telling me what I think. Where did I say the Germans need to be punished with extreme prejudice, or anything even remotely like that? Stop being so hysterical. I'm questioning why you are so fixated with emphasizing German victims, while dismissing or showing little to no interest in non-German victims, because the only people I have ever seen doing that are Nazi sympathizers. > But you are probably OK with... There you go again, telling me what I think. Is this a tactic you find works in other arguments you have? > the moment you dismiss and forget them Who is forgetting them? I specifically said you should include all victims, and not just the Germans, which you refused to do. You're the one who is going out of your way to dismiss the fact that the majority of the people who died were not German, and only died because of German barbarity and racialist far-right policies. And I think it's pretty obvious now why you're doing that.
- cyberferret 10y ago
  > I specifically said you should include all victims, and not just the Germans, which you refused to do I spelled out at least once, if not twice in this thread that I include them as part of the 'non combatants' killed in the raid, but it is clear that your hatred for the 'barbarity' of a nation is interfering with your ability to see that. But calling out anyone who simply asks "What about German civilians killed?" as neo-Nazis and Nazi sympathisers is, well, simply bloviating hysteria. You seem to be getting really upset about the downvotes you are getting, but just so it's understood, my karma balance here on HN does not let me downvote direct replies to my own comments, so it is clearly other members on here who are reacting to your views. I will be civil enough to stop short of actually labelling you as anything though, because I have no other knowledge about you to make such a judgement call. I don't think that derailing this thread any further with our discussion will be of benefit to anyone. Take a deep breath. Have a nice cup of tea, and I hope you have a great day.
  - quirkafleeg 10y ago
    > it is clear that your hatred for the 'barbarity' of a nation I do indeed hate the barbarity of Nazi Germany, as do most civilized people. Hardly surprising you'd be upset by that, since you're a Nazi sympathizer who has made it quite clear in this thread how much you hate the WW2 Allies, dismissing Allied casualties, claiming the Allies were worse than the Japanese, and lying about Allied atrocities that no history book mentions (for obvious reasons). > But calling out anyone who simply asks "What about German civilians killed?" as neo-Nazis and Nazi sympathisers is, well, simply bloviating hysteria. Remembering Germans who were killed is one thing. Focusing on nothing but German casualties, ignoring the vast majority of victims because they were not German (and were in fact victims of Germany), and criticizing and smearing the Allies is what outs you as a neo-Nazi. Who do you think you're kidding here? > You seem to be getting really upset about the downvotes you are getting "But the downvotes that my comment above (and no doubt this one) gets...". Your words, not mine. Not only complaining that your post with false information was (quite rightly) downvoted, and complaining about downvotes you hadn't even received, but even unhappy that an informative post about horrific Allied casualties was (according to you) upvoted. Unbelievable. > I will be civil enough to stop short of actually labelling you as anything though, because I have no other knowledge about you to make such a judgement call. Having no knowledge didn't stop you posting this crap: "You probably have an 'acceptable number' of women and children that can be destroyed" "You seem to be equating all the German population in WWII as Nazis" "You seem to think that they need to be punished with extreme prejudice" "you are probably OK with the fact that my parents could have easily been unimportant 'collateral damage'" > I don't think that derailing this thread any further with our discussion will be of benefit to anyone. What was the benefit of derailing it in the first place? What was the benefit of your other posts here, in a thread about heroism and bravery against one of the most evil regimes in history, repeatedly criticizing the Allies? If you're going to deny being a Nazi, as Nazis are prone to do when outed, try not quack so loudly in future.