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Do you mean 633 Squadron, rather than the Dam Busters? The fjord attack seems like a more obvious parallel to the trench run.

by zazen 10y ago

pjc50 10y ago
Yes, it's 633 squadron. Somewhere on YouTube is that film overlaid with the Star Wars audio - it's a practically perfect match.
greedo 10y ago
Nope. http://www.starwars.com/news/the-cinema-behind-star-wars-the-dam-busters http://www.starwars.com/news/the-cinema-behind-star-wars-the... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNdb03Hw18M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNdb03Hw18M
- zazen 10y ago
  Your first link is to one of a series of articles linking Star Wars to: Lawrence of Arabia; E.T.; the Seventh Voyage of Sinbad; The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly; Empire of the Sun; and possibly others. They can't all be major influences! The start of the YouTube video puts the exposition of the attack from one film next to the exposition of the attack from the other. Is that really such a strong similarity? I'd guess a lot of war/action movies have a here's-how-it's-going-to-go-down scene. Some of the other pairings are closer - I think I buy the one with the line about the number of guns. So, I see a Dam Busters reference, and that's interesting! But I'd need more convincing that it's used for storyboarding.
  - greedo 10y ago
    Did you read the first article? It's pretty clear in spelling out the heritage: "As the British pilots approach the superstructure, one asks, “How many guns do you think, Trevor?” To which Trevor replies, “I’d say there’s about ten guns. Some in the field, some on the tower!” The similarities go even further… A tense countdown leads to the first bombing of the German dam, just like the trench run. After the first bomb attack against the German dam is away, one of the pilots exclaims, “It’s gone! We’ve done it!” To which he’s told, “We haven’t! It’s still there!” That bomber tells his other pilots to set up for their attack run, eventually taking three bomb runs to destroy the target." That's almost verbatim what Lucas used for dialogue (something he always admitted he struggled with writing).
  - charles_teise 10y ago
    That youtube video is spot on. A very strong demonstration that, shot-for-shot, the pacing, dialog and camera blocking match up impeccably between the two. It's pretty clear that the lineage is essentially undeniable.

Do you mean 633 Squadron, rather than the Dam Busters? The fjord attack seems like a more obvious parallel to the trench run.

by zazen 10y ago

Do you mean 633 Squadron, rather than the Dam Busters? The fjord attack seems like a more obvious parallel to the trench run.

pjc50 10y ago

Yes, it's 633 squadron. Somewhere on YouTube is that film overlaid with the Star Wars audio - it's a practically perfect match.

greedo 10y ago

Nope. http://www.starwars.com/news/the-cinema-behind-star-wars-the-dam-busters http://www.starwars.com/news/the-cinema-behind-star-wars-the... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNdb03Hw18M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNdb03Hw18M

zazen 10y ago
Your first link is to one of a series of articles linking Star Wars to: Lawrence of Arabia; E.T.; the Seventh Voyage of Sinbad; The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly; Empire of the Sun; and possibly others. They can't all be major influences! The start of the YouTube video puts the exposition of the attack from one film next to the exposition of the attack from the other. Is that really such a strong similarity? I'd guess a lot of war/action movies have a here's-how-it's-going-to-go-down scene. Some of the other pairings are closer - I think I buy the one with the line about the number of guns. So, I see a Dam Busters reference, and that's interesting! But I'd need more convincing that it's used for storyboarding.
- greedo 10y ago
  Did you read the first article? It's pretty clear in spelling out the heritage: "As the British pilots approach the superstructure, one asks, “How many guns do you think, Trevor?” To which Trevor replies, “I’d say there’s about ten guns. Some in the field, some on the tower!” The similarities go even further… A tense countdown leads to the first bombing of the German dam, just like the trench run. After the first bomb attack against the German dam is away, one of the pilots exclaims, “It’s gone! We’ve done it!” To which he’s told, “We haven’t! It’s still there!” That bomber tells his other pilots to set up for their attack run, eventually taking three bomb runs to destroy the target." That's almost verbatim what Lucas used for dialogue (something he always admitted he struggled with writing).
- charles_teise 10y ago
  That youtube video is spot on. A very strong demonstration that, shot-for-shot, the pacing, dialog and camera blocking match up impeccably between the two. It's pretty clear that the lineage is essentially undeniable.