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This is not the first experiment undertaken by Nasa/Pentagon/Boeing or the DoD. As well as similar measurements confirmed by other research teams (including for

This is not the first experiment undertaken by Nasa/Pentagon/Boeing or the DoD. As well as similar measurements confirmed by other research teams (including foreign teams). I totally agree it requires drastic evidence, but it could be explained by another physical action not necessarily the violation of Newton's laws or effects that supersede those laws like quantum effects https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7kgKijo-p0idV9tcmVIVzZrdTQ/view https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7kgKijo-p0idV9tcmVIVzZrdTQ... http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-exclusive-roger-shawyer-confirms-mod-dod-interested-controversial-space-propulsion-tech-1586392 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-exclusive-roger-shawyer-con... http://www.slideshare.net/KurtZeller/investigation-of-a-partially-loaded-resonant-cavityzellerkraft http://www.slideshare.net/KurtZeller/investigation-of-a-part...

mikeash 10y ago
If it's another physical action within known physical laws, then nothing interesting is happening and it's a failure of the experimental setup. Yes, many experiments have been done, and none have conclusively disprove it, but at the same time none of them have conclusively shown that something is going on either. The detected effect remains well within the realm of potential error, so until that uncertainty is resolved, "error" remains a much better bet than "new physics."
- achileas 10y ago
  >If it's another physical action within known physical laws, then nothing interesting is happening and it's a failure of the experimental setup I'm not sure what makes you think this. There's no failure in science when an effect is observed and it's explainable within the frame of current theory. If that was the case every experiment I've done would have been a 'failure.'
  - mikeash 10y ago
    With the experiments that showed a result, that result is not explainable within the frame of current theory. The whole purpose of the experimental setup is to isolate the test article from any possible interactions that could exert force on it, other than the one being tested. If the results seen so far are due to mundane interactions, then that isolation didn't work. Is that not a failure of the experimental setup?
    - achileas 10y ago
      IIRC, the recent tests are to reduce experimental error, not 'mundane interactions.' Just because there may be a way to explain it within the frame of current theory that the original researchers did not pursue or understand, still doesn't mean the experiment failed.

mikeash 10y ago

If it's another physical action within known physical laws, then nothing interesting is happening and it's a failure of the experimental setup. Yes, many experiments have been done, and none have conclusively disprove it, but at the same time none of them have conclusively shown that something is going on either. The detected effect remains well within the realm of potential error, so until that uncertainty is resolved, "error" remains a much better bet than "new physics."

achileas 10y ago
>If it's another physical action within known physical laws, then nothing interesting is happening and it's a failure of the experimental setup I'm not sure what makes you think this. There's no failure in science when an effect is observed and it's explainable within the frame of current theory. If that was the case every experiment I've done would have been a 'failure.'
- mikeash 10y ago
  With the experiments that showed a result, that result is not explainable within the frame of current theory. The whole purpose of the experimental setup is to isolate the test article from any possible interactions that could exert force on it, other than the one being tested. If the results seen so far are due to mundane interactions, then that isolation didn't work. Is that not a failure of the experimental setup?
  - achileas 10y ago
    IIRC, the recent tests are to reduce experimental error, not 'mundane interactions.' Just because there may be a way to explain it within the frame of current theory that the original researchers did not pursue or understand, still doesn't mean the experiment failed.