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I don't understand why they didn't use a Xeon e3-1545m, which is a 35-45 TDP part and has adequate graphics for the intended market. If it doesn't support ECC,
by intrasight 10y ago
I don't understand why they didn't use a Xeon e3-1545m, which is a 35-45 TDP part and has adequate graphics for the intended market.
If it doesn't support ECC, there's no benefit vs the Intel Skull Canyon.
I am in the market for a new dev machine, and I want Xeon and ECC. Just not enough good options currently (unless you build from scratch).
- rch 10y agoCheck out Colfax International. They have some nice workstations that are relatively easy to configure.
- intrasight 10y agoI had really meant to say "not enough good mini/laptop options"
- rch 10y agoFair enough. My main ergonomic requirement for a workstation is zero noise at rest, and reasonable otherwise. I'm interested in seeing what I can get in form factor though.
- intrasight 10y agoMy goal as well. I think that I assumed (wrongly) that these small form factor computers would be more quiet than a tower.
- tcpekin 10y agoYeah, I'm pretty sure the rule of thumb is that standard towers can be quieter because unless the SFF computers are passively cooled, larger towers can have larger fans spinning at a slower RPM to move the same amount of air, as well as have larger radiators.
- roel_v 10y agoWhat I did (but I'll admit this is not an option in many cases) is to move my workstation into a rack in the basement, with 20m DisplayPort cables connecting the monitors and a 20m usb3 extender cable hooking up a usb hub on the desk for keyboard, mouse, usb storage etc. Let the computer be loud there - noise has become a non-issue when selecting parts. It has a gtx1070 GPU which gets quite noisy under load (gpgpu processing). All 'workstations' I had in the past, like from Dell, got quite load under load, and had (baseline) loud power supplies as well. I do need access to the power button more often than I thought, so I'll have to wire the front panel power button to a button on my desk.
- intrasight 10y agoA similar strategy I am considering. Get a fanless NUC case from Akasa [http://www.akasa.com.tw http://www.akasa.com.tw] and remote desktop to the "real" computer in the basement.
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- djrogers 10y ago> If it doesn't support ECC, there's no benefit vs the Intel Skull Canyon. It does support ECC - right there on the product page.
- intrasight 10y agoI don't see that
- wlesieutre 10y agoFirst footnote in the linked press release, justifying them calling it "the world’s first mini workstation[1]" [1] Based on publicly available information of workstation competitors as of October 3, 2016 with volume of at least 1 million units annually as of October 3, 2016 having < 3 litres volume, professional graphics, Intel® Xeon® quad core processor, ISV certified applications, ECC memory.
- intrasight 10y agoSo they implicitly rather than explicitly say they support ECC memory. That's a first.
- bunderbunder 10y agoIt's still just a press release and marketing page for a product that hasn't hit the shelves yet. Personally, I'd wait for the tech specs page to go live before getting too upset about them not posting detailed tech specs.
- nextos 10y agoIt does support ECC, but I don't understand its thermal design. Probably it's like NUCs, a small box for the sake of prettiness and a tiny-n-cheap fan that will be noisy. It's a shame, because you can passively cool things like a i7-6700T these days without much effort and without ever falling into throttling [1]. Plus, Calyos is about to release a loop heat pipe that will be able to cool massive systems without any noise [2]. I wish someone like Apple or perhaps the new Microsoft had the vision to sell corporate desktops and workstations that did not suck noisewise. I imagine a little fanless Mac Mini running on Xeon would sell like hotcakes and would give Apple the chance to gain a further chunk of enterprise marketshare. But they don't seem to be interested. [1] http://www.atlastsolutions.com/ultimate-fanless-mini-itx-pc-core-i7-skylake-8gb-ddr4-250gb-ssd-asus-z170i/ http://www.atlastsolutions.com/ultimate-fanless-mini-itx-pc-... [2] http://www.calyos-tm.com/ http://www.calyos-tm.com/
- SwellJoe 10y agoThey specifically mention acoustics in the (long) text about it. I would assume that means they tried to make it quiet. Whether I believe them or not is up in the air, as my last HP workstation was louder than hell.
- jonloldrup 10y agoIs hell particularly loud? I've never been there.
- shmerl 10y agoAirtop is silent, but it's rather large: https://airtop-pc.com/airtop/natural-airflow-technology/ https://airtop-pc.com/airtop/natural-airflow-technology/
- microcolonel 10y agoDo you know if they have standard space for a discrete card? They only offer NVIDIA options, but I prefer AMD.
- igravious 10y agoIt supports ECC memory, it says it right there on the page.
- chx 10y agoHow come? The Skull Canyon has Iris Pro IGP, this has an nVidia Quadro.