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As I said WRT peaking, submarines and aircraft carriers can operate in this 0 to 100% way. Anyway, peaking is kind of irrelevant because it is a minimal section
by ohyes 10y ago
As I said WRT peaking, submarines and aircraft carriers can operate in this 0 to 100% way. Anyway, peaking is kind of irrelevant because it is a minimal section of the grid,
We currently have a very limited number of nuclear reactor designs, so its possible that there are other better designs that would be possible with new technology. You have to understand that we're basically using 70s/80s designs in all of the current reactors (even brand new ones). There's been very little meaningful/adopted innovation in the field in the civilian sector.
Agree about the decommissioning costs and operation costs compared to solar and wind at least. I think coal/natural gas/oil have other net negatives that really aren't accounted for economically (tragedy of the commons type stuff that we've never really accounted for economically and are only starting to take in to account far too late).
But agreed, renewables and increasing efficiency needs to be our primary goal from a cost/benefit point of view.
But... if you need a lot of constant base load, nuclear is a good option (better than renewables at least until battery technology catches up and is proven), and would be a better option if we were interested in investing in the technology and science to make it safer and more efficient.
I kind of discount the economic arguments because we NEED low emission power sources. Saying 'well coal/natural gas is cheaper' is missing the point. The choices are almost everyone dies but its cheap, vs more expensive. Picking almost everyone dies is incredibly short-sighted. I'd spend whatever amount of money if it meant we could stop burning stuff. If the government needs to push it through, so be it.
- Retric 10y agoThe economic argument is rather persuasive IMO. The nuclear subsides are simply massive and often ignored. The cost problem with nuclear is not that it's slightly more expensive, it's vastly more expensive. For the same cast you can build a lot more renewables which reduces their variability. Yes, they will often be over producing, but from a cost standpoint that's not really an issue. PS: As to R&D, not having construction ready designs is a huge problem. If we had 20 years and 100's of billions for risky R&D that would be one thing. But, I think that time has passed.
- AstralStorm 10y agoCoal subsidies are also massive and ignored. No, you cannot build enough renewable power to replace even a single nuclear plant in most of Europe. In the US, you'd have to build these in the desert to even come close, but maintenance would still make it hard to equal cost over time.
- Retric 10y agoEU already get's more electricity from Renewables than Nuclear power so WTF are you smoking? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_Europe... Electricity by source in 2014 Wind: 51.4 TWh (9.7%) Solar: 32.8 TWh (6.2%) Biomass: 53 TWh (10.0%) vs Nuclear: 91.8 TWh (17.2%) Biomass can be used for Peaking power and can fill gaps in wind and solar.