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Yes, vi related muscle memory is particularly useful when using non-vi text entry.:wq

by sophacles 17y ago

koenigdavidmj 17y ago
Grr. Why can't ^W be something less harmful in most programs?
- jrockway 17y ago
  What programs is it not backward-kill-word in?
  - sophacles 17y ago
    In vim it is the first part of a sequence for manipulating windows. This mindset can conflict with e.g. firefox, in which ctrl-w closes a window. (particularly if there are multiple firefoxes/tabs open) Edit: That should be close tab, not close window, c-shift-w is window.
    - jrockway 17y ago
      Ah. In Emacs, bash, and conkeror, it does something useful. (I've never really understood why there are keyboard shortcuts for things like "quit program" and "print". How often, if ever, do you want to do those things? Do they really need to be one keystroke away!?)
      - sophacles 17y ago
        Thats a pretty inflammatory statement... "In one program and a couple that emulate it...". How is it not useful to have a keyboard shortcut to change focus between windows? Windows in vim refer to what I believe are called "splits" in emacs. The vim c-w stuff is analogous to c-x stuff in emacs. As for close tab shortcuts in firefox -- I use it all the time. Standard work flow for me includes c-t, google.com, <misspelled word>, c-w, <correct spelling from "did you mean">.
        viraptor 17y ago
        > Standard work flow for me includes c-t, google.com, <misspelled word>, c-w, <correct spelling from "did you mean">. This might be quicker: c-k, <misspelled word>, alt-enter, c-w alt-enter opens a new tab with the search.
      - chancho 17y ago
        You never close browser tabs?
    - BrandonM 17y ago
      firefox, in which ctrl-w closes... It's very useful in situations like this to know that Ctrl-Shift-T reopens the last closed tab, and you can press it repeatedly to continue opening less-recently closed tabs.
      - koenigdavidmj 17y ago
        Yeah, but in Pidgin you just disconnected. And told your buddy/chat room that you did.
  - jodrellblank 17y ago
    Windows programs, it's often kill MDI child window (or these days, tab).
  - chancho 17y ago
    In Windows, KDE and Gnome it almost universally closes a window. By default, anyway.
jodrellblank 17y ago
I can tell Vim isn't user friendly because :Q isn't an alias for :q by default. :/
- pyre 17y ago
  One of my co-workers has aliases for typos of common unix commands. (e.g. 'alias mroe=more' and 'alias moer=more' etc)
  - varikin 17y ago
    That is one reason I like Zsh. It can figure out typos most often and prompts you. For example: > sl zsh: correct 'sl' to 'ls' [nyae]? (edit: formatting)
    - Calamitous 17y ago
      Ugh. I keep looking for a way to turn this "feature" off. The fraction of a second it would take me to recognize and correct my mistake is far less frustrating and time-consuming than having to parse the message and select an option. Of the hundreds of times this feature has popped up, I believe I've actually hit "y" twice.

Yes, vi related muscle memory is particularly useful when using non-vi text entry.:wq

koenigdavidmj 17y ago

Grr. Why can't ^W be something less harmful in most programs?

jrockway 17y ago
What programs is it not backward-kill-word in?
- sophacles 17y ago
  In vim it is the first part of a sequence for manipulating windows. This mindset can conflict with e.g. firefox, in which ctrl-w closes a window. (particularly if there are multiple firefoxes/tabs open) Edit: That should be close tab, not close window, c-shift-w is window.
  - jrockway 17y ago
    Ah. In Emacs, bash, and conkeror, it does something useful. (I've never really understood why there are keyboard shortcuts for things like "quit program" and "print". How often, if ever, do you want to do those things? Do they really need to be one keystroke away!?)
    - sophacles 17y ago
      Thats a pretty inflammatory statement... "In one program and a couple that emulate it...". How is it not useful to have a keyboard shortcut to change focus between windows? Windows in vim refer to what I believe are called "splits" in emacs. The vim c-w stuff is analogous to c-x stuff in emacs. As for close tab shortcuts in firefox -- I use it all the time. Standard work flow for me includes c-t, google.com, <misspelled word>, c-w, <correct spelling from "did you mean">.
      - viraptor 17y ago
        > Standard work flow for me includes c-t, google.com, <misspelled word>, c-w, <correct spelling from "did you mean">. This might be quicker: c-k, <misspelled word>, alt-enter, c-w alt-enter opens a new tab with the search.
    - chancho 17y ago
      You never close browser tabs?
  - BrandonM 17y ago
    firefox, in which ctrl-w closes... It's very useful in situations like this to know that Ctrl-Shift-T reopens the last closed tab, and you can press it repeatedly to continue opening less-recently closed tabs.
    - koenigdavidmj 17y ago
      Yeah, but in Pidgin you just disconnected. And told your buddy/chat room that you did.
- jodrellblank 17y ago
  Windows programs, it's often kill MDI child window (or these days, tab).
- chancho 17y ago
  In Windows, KDE and Gnome it almost universally closes a window. By default, anyway.

jodrellblank 17y ago

I can tell Vim isn't user friendly because :Q isn't an alias for :q by default. :/

pyre 17y ago
One of my co-workers has aliases for typos of common unix commands. (e.g. 'alias mroe=more' and 'alias moer=more' etc)
- varikin 17y ago
  That is one reason I like Zsh. It can figure out typos most often and prompts you. For example: > sl zsh: correct 'sl' to 'ls' [nyae]? (edit: formatting)
  - Calamitous 17y ago
    Ugh. I keep looking for a way to turn this "feature" off. The fraction of a second it would take me to recognize and correct my mistake is far less frustrating and time-consuming than having to parse the message and select an option. Of the hundreds of times this feature has popped up, I believe I've actually hit "y" twice.