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I tried many times to use Ubuntu as my main machine but I always go back to Windows. Why? more than 4 times when I run a system Upgrade it fails and I end up wi

by maouida 10y ago

I tried many times to use Ubuntu as my main machine but I always go back to Windows. Why? more than 4 times when I run a system Upgrade it fails and I end up with a broken system. The other thing that holds me back is the UI. Hundreds of Themes available but I always see them as "cartoonish" themes that are not well though of.

TeMPOraL 10y ago
I'm dual-booting between Windows and Ubuntu. I keep Windows for games that require it; most of my daily use is on Linux, but there I spend most of the time in the shell, Emacs and in Chrome. So I tolerate various UX annoyances. But I'm not going to recommend Ubuntu (or for that matter, any other Linux system I've used so far, and I've used a few) to normal people looking for a normal desktop - there's just too many glitches, too many UX annoyances, too many bugs in GUI-dependent software. For all its issues, Windows has a quite polished desktop ecosystem.
JustSomeNobody 10y ago
Windows brakes on updates also[0]. It's all about knowing the system well enough to fix it when it does. [0] Heck, Windows breaks on reboots! Sometimes when I reboot, it either forgets my bluetooth or my wireless. And by forgets, I mean it doesn't think the hardware even exists. Multiple machines, multiple vendors, so it's not just one odd computer.
- ctrl-j 10y ago
  Well, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. Rough count, I've worked with 30+ different windows machines over the last few decades. I have never seen the problem you are describing. I'm not saying you're not having it, I'm just saying it's not necessarily a common event. Maybe you live/work somewhere with a lot of EM interference?
  - floopidydoopidy 10y ago
    Yes his anecdotal evidence is countering parents anecdotal evidence. It's a worthless chain of comments, really.
  - JustSomeNobody 10y ago
    No, not just my machines either. Work machines across the country out in the field have issues with Windows forgetting hardware[0] (network, wifi, bluetooth). I think people just get used to Windows' issues and don't recall how many times they have to deal with them. [0] At least once per week out of several hundred machines.
    - ctrl-j 10y ago
      > I think people just get used to Windows' issues and don't recall how many times they have to deal with them. I can recall a lot of issues that I've had with windows. I can tell you with certainty that I've never had a device go missing from the device manager. I've had printers have trouble being discovered after they are unplugged. I've had driver updates cause hardware to stop working. I've even had windows updates completely mess up my windows installation. But I've never had the issue you are describing. > [0] At least once per week out of several hundred machines. You're saying you have a greater than 1% occurrence rate per year? Google doesn't show the issue in the first three pages for me with the query "Windows forgets network hardware." Have you opened a Microsoft support ticket? I mean, if you're losing device drivers every week, that's man hours your burning! I would want to get that fixed ASAP!
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Shorel 10y ago
I'm far more wary of Windows updates than Ubuntu updates. I have the same install since 14.04, I have updated to each version up to 16.04 and it still works fine. OTOH, I reverted the Win10 free update and went back to Win8.1 because Win10 did not work with my bluetooth devices, the tablet functionality was inferior to Win8.1 and it was actually unpolished compared with the Win8.1 experience. Your second point is simply opinion, and while I can't argue against it, my own experience using Ubunty with multiple monitors and virtual desktops makes Windows feel limited in comparison and therefore much less professional.
- ChoGGi 10y ago
  My Windows 7 install has been doing fine since 2012 (not going to say anything about 10).

by maouida 10y ago

TeMPOraL 10y ago

I'm dual-booting between Windows and Ubuntu. I keep Windows for games that require it; most of my daily use is on Linux, but there I spend most of the time in the shell, Emacs and in Chrome. So I tolerate various UX annoyances. But I'm not going to recommend Ubuntu (or for that matter, any other Linux system I've used so far, and I've used a few) to normal people looking for a normal desktop - there's just too many glitches, too many UX annoyances, too many bugs in GUI-dependent software. For all its issues, Windows has a quite polished desktop ecosystem.

JustSomeNobody 10y ago

Windows brakes on updates also[0]. It's all about knowing the system well enough to fix it when it does. [0] Heck, Windows breaks on reboots! Sometimes when I reboot, it either forgets my bluetooth or my wireless. And by forgets, I mean it doesn't think the hardware even exists. Multiple machines, multiple vendors, so it's not just one odd computer.

ctrl-j 10y ago
Well, anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. Rough count, I've worked with 30+ different windows machines over the last few decades. I have never seen the problem you are describing. I'm not saying you're not having it, I'm just saying it's not necessarily a common event. Maybe you live/work somewhere with a lot of EM interference?
- floopidydoopidy 10y ago
  Yes his anecdotal evidence is countering parents anecdotal evidence. It's a worthless chain of comments, really.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  No, not just my machines either. Work machines across the country out in the field have issues with Windows forgetting hardware[0] (network, wifi, bluetooth). I think people just get used to Windows' issues and don't recall how many times they have to deal with them. [0] At least once per week out of several hundred machines.
  - ctrl-j 10y ago
    > I think people just get used to Windows' issues and don't recall how many times they have to deal with them. I can recall a lot of issues that I've had with windows. I can tell you with certainty that I've never had a device go missing from the device manager. I've had printers have trouble being discovered after they are unplugged. I've had driver updates cause hardware to stop working. I've even had windows updates completely mess up my windows installation. But I've never had the issue you are describing. > [0] At least once per week out of several hundred machines. You're saying you have a greater than 1% occurrence rate per year? Google doesn't show the issue in the first three pages for me with the query "Windows forgets network hardware." Have you opened a Microsoft support ticket? I mean, if you're losing device drivers every week, that's man hours your burning! I would want to get that fixed ASAP!
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Shorel 10y ago

I'm far more wary of Windows updates than Ubuntu updates. I have the same install since 14.04, I have updated to each version up to 16.04 and it still works fine. OTOH, I reverted the Win10 free update and went back to Win8.1 because Win10 did not work with my bluetooth devices, the tablet functionality was inferior to Win8.1 and it was actually unpolished compared with the Win8.1 experience. Your second point is simply opinion, and while I can't argue against it, my own experience using Ubunty with multiple monitors and virtual desktops makes Windows feel limited in comparison and therefore much less professional.

ChoGGi 10y ago
My Windows 7 install has been doing fine since 2012 (not going to say anything about 10).