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As far as I know, Durov first wants to create the best messaging platform and at this point I must say Telegram is really the best at what it does and constantl

by bjn 10y ago

As far as I know, Durov first wants to create the best messaging platform and at this point I must say Telegram is really the best at what it does and constantly improving.

thewhitetulip 10y ago
Yes and it is staying on being a messaging platform rather than doing everything and anything that others are doing. It has a webapp which works, desktop apps for desktops and works seamlessly
- krrrh 10y ago
  But it doesn't do end to end encryption by default and has a confusing interface for it which combines ephemerality and encryption into 'secret' chats. Most of the people I know who use Telegram are engineers and almost all of them believe that the standard chats are encrypted and 'secret' only refers to ephemerality because Telegram marketed itself so strongly as a private messenger. It's of course possibly to deal with encryption and ephemerality as separate concerns but this doesn't seem to be a priority at all for the Telegram team. I feel like the team has the best intentions but it doesn't provide better security and privacy than Signal, Wire, or even Whatsapp when it comes to day-to-day chats with regular people in your life. As far as I recall there isn't even a way to verify key fingerprints.
  - thewhitetulip 10y ago
    >but it doesn't provide better security and privacy than Signal, Wire, or even Whatsapp on what basis is this statement made? Isn't whatsapp going to use your data for ads on FB? I have had people tell me that their whatsapp contacts are popping up on facebook as "people you may know". This isn't just the end of it. >believe that the standard chats are encrypted One just has to read their website, it is clear that only secret chats are end to end encrypted. This is the problem with people, not their team. Tesla faced the same problem with their auto pilot feature.
    - fwn 10y ago
      > This is the problem with people, not their team. I think that, from a design perspective, this is not a really good concept. If your defaults incentivize behaviour antagonistic to your users interest, you are still to blame for this effect.
      - thewhitetulip 10y ago
        true, it is a marketing thing.
  - Aoyagi 10y ago
    It doesn't do e2e encryption by default by design. It's rather hard to have everything synchronised (one of the advantages much of the userbase likes) when everything is e2e'd.

by bjn 10y ago

As far as I know, Durov first wants to create the best messaging platform and at this point I must say Telegram is really the best at what it does and constantly improving.

thewhitetulip 10y ago

Yes and it is staying on being a messaging platform rather than doing everything and anything that others are doing. It has a webapp which works, desktop apps for desktops and works seamlessly

krrrh 10y ago
But it doesn't do end to end encryption by default and has a confusing interface for it which combines ephemerality and encryption into 'secret' chats. Most of the people I know who use Telegram are engineers and almost all of them believe that the standard chats are encrypted and 'secret' only refers to ephemerality because Telegram marketed itself so strongly as a private messenger. It's of course possibly to deal with encryption and ephemerality as separate concerns but this doesn't seem to be a priority at all for the Telegram team. I feel like the team has the best intentions but it doesn't provide better security and privacy than Signal, Wire, or even Whatsapp when it comes to day-to-day chats with regular people in your life. As far as I recall there isn't even a way to verify key fingerprints.
- thewhitetulip 10y ago
  >but it doesn't provide better security and privacy than Signal, Wire, or even Whatsapp on what basis is this statement made? Isn't whatsapp going to use your data for ads on FB? I have had people tell me that their whatsapp contacts are popping up on facebook as "people you may know". This isn't just the end of it. >believe that the standard chats are encrypted One just has to read their website, it is clear that only secret chats are end to end encrypted. This is the problem with people, not their team. Tesla faced the same problem with their auto pilot feature.
  - fwn 10y ago
    > This is the problem with people, not their team. I think that, from a design perspective, this is not a really good concept. If your defaults incentivize behaviour antagonistic to your users interest, you are still to blame for this effect.
    - thewhitetulip 10y ago
      true, it is a marketing thing.
- Aoyagi 10y ago
  It doesn't do e2e encryption by default by design. It's rather hard to have everything synchronised (one of the advantages much of the userbase likes) when everything is e2e'd.