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CNN saying that it is illegal for the public to read Wikileaks emails. I can't think of any other examples of outright lies, but there's alot of lying by omiss

by tomp 10y ago

CNN saying that it is illegal for the public to read Wikileaks emails. I can't think of any other examples of outright lies, but there's alot of lying by omission; e.g. we now know that the DNC was heavily biased towards Clinton in the primaries, that they were inciting violence at Trump rallies, and that they were given the debate questions prior to debates. Was this even reported on main leftwing media? Edit: also all the reduction of Trump's voters to just being racist, sexist and the accusations of the "whitelash" - why don't they talk about "blacklash" every time a democrat wins? Edit 2: another example is the recent backlash against Breitbart. Although I see them mainly as a contrarian news site (similar to ZeroHedge), they probably have some bias - but just because it's the opposite of other media, you can't call it racism/sexism. Why is women voting for a woman feminist, men voting for a man sexist? Why are pro-black movements described as #BlackLivesMatter and pro-white movements as white supremacist? Accusations of bias are pretty empty when you're so full of it yourself...

fareesh 10y ago
Wolf Blitzer was receiving interview questions from the Clinton campaign when he was going to interview candidate Trump. While this isn't evidence of lying it is certainly evidence of an unethical relationship between the media and the candidates that it is supposed to be covering impartially. To collude with one of the campaigns is effectively allowing the campaign to skirt FEC regulations and utilize the strength of an entire news corporation to influence the outcome of an election. One could argue that this has the same impact as fake news. Source: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/22673 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/22673
- tomp 10y ago
  Absolutely, that's my point. You can hardly call yourself a journalist if the point of your reporting is to bias the public; whether to do that by outright lying or just with skillful deception by omission is besides the point.
grkvlt 10y ago
> examples of outright lies A lie is a false statement made with the intent to deceive. I believe CNN is merely wrong. The difference is the intent, but people are far too quick to throw out the accusation of lying every time someone makes a mistake. Hanlon's razor and all that, would suggest incompetence rather than malice. I find it hard to believe there's a deliberate misinformation campaign going on at CNN where they are trying to get people to believe it's illegal to view Wikileaks emails even though they know it isn't - cui bono? EDIT - Of course, it is possible CNN were deliberately lied to by, for example, an NSA or CIA official, who they incorrectly believed (due to the implied authority of government officials) and therefore took at face value. I can see the motive for NSA or CIA to lie here, so that people are frightened of committing an illegal act by reading the emails, therefore less people will see them; an obvious benefit, just not for CNN...
- MK999 10y ago
  Give it up. CNN is green-screens and lies.
untog 10y ago
> Was this even reported on main leftwing media? If you include NYT in this, yes: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/us/politics/video-dnc-trump-rallies.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/us/politics/video-dnc-trum... > another example is the recent backlash against Breitbart Breitbart was taken over by Steve Bannon after Breitbart's death, and it seems (inarguably to me) like it took a turn after that point. When you have headlines like "Bill Kristol: Republican Spoiler, Renegade Jew", you're going to attract negative attention.

by tomp 10y ago

fareesh 10y ago

Wolf Blitzer was receiving interview questions from the Clinton campaign when he was going to interview candidate Trump. While this isn't evidence of lying it is certainly evidence of an unethical relationship between the media and the candidates that it is supposed to be covering impartially. To collude with one of the campaigns is effectively allowing the campaign to skirt FEC regulations and utilize the strength of an entire news corporation to influence the outcome of an election. One could argue that this has the same impact as fake news. Source: https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/22673 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/22673

tomp 10y ago
Absolutely, that's my point. You can hardly call yourself a journalist if the point of your reporting is to bias the public; whether to do that by outright lying or just with skillful deception by omission is besides the point.

grkvlt 10y ago

> examples of outright lies A lie is a false statement made with the intent to deceive. I believe CNN is merely wrong. The difference is the intent, but people are far too quick to throw out the accusation of lying every time someone makes a mistake. Hanlon's razor and all that, would suggest incompetence rather than malice. I find it hard to believe there's a deliberate misinformation campaign going on at CNN where they are trying to get people to believe it's illegal to view Wikileaks emails even though they know it isn't - cui bono? EDIT - Of course, it is possible CNN were deliberately lied to by, for example, an NSA or CIA official, who they incorrectly believed (due to the implied authority of government officials) and therefore took at face value. I can see the motive for NSA or CIA to lie here, so that people are frightened of committing an illegal act by reading the emails, therefore less people will see them; an obvious benefit, just not for CNN...

MK999 10y ago
Give it up. CNN is green-screens and lies.

untog 10y ago

> Was this even reported on main leftwing media? If you include NYT in this, yes: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/us/politics/video-dnc-trump-rallies.html http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/21/us/politics/video-dnc-trum... > another example is the recent backlash against Breitbart Breitbart was taken over by Steve Bannon after Breitbart's death, and it seems (inarguably to me) like it took a turn after that point. When you have headlines like "Bill Kristol: Republican Spoiler, Renegade Jew", you're going to attract negative attention.