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>And there's still zero proof Russia had anything to do with it. The western intelligence community has converged on the conclusion that the Russian government

>And there's still zero proof Russia had anything to do with it. The western intelligence community has converged on the conclusion that the Russian government was involved and staked their reputation on that conclusion. So, unless you just don't trust your government at all, it's likely to be true.

fareesh 10y ago
The western intelligence community has simply said that the Russian government accessed these mails. There's nothing to suggest that they're the ones who gave Wikileaks access though. It's quite likely that there were multiple parties who had access.
RestlessMind 10y ago
Western intelligence community also converged on the conclusion that Iraq had WMDs. They lost their credibility after that and it will take a long time to regain the trust. Though if you have any other credible source, please share it.
- flukus 10y ago
  Did they? It seems only the anglosphere countries came to this conclusion and that they were "instructed" to.
- badlucklottery 10y ago
  >Western intelligence community also converged on the conclusion that Iraq had WMDs Not really. There was a decent amount of dissent in the western intel community on Iraqi WMDs (pretty much everyone not in the "coalition of the willing" and even some within it), it's just that the Bush administration purposefully ignored the dissenters. >Though if you have any other credible source, please share it. If you don't believe the intelligence community can ever be trusted again after Iraq, I don't think there's any source could be enough for you. If the authorities on the subject are in on the conspiracy, then any proof could be just another layer on the conspiracy, right? Turtles all the way down.
  - untog 10y ago
    That perspective also makes me wonder: surely we should shut down all intelligence services tomorrow? If their output is deemed to be tainted by Iraq, what's the point in paying for them? Suffice to say, this doesn't seem like a reasonable perspective to me.

fareesh 10y ago

The western intelligence community has simply said that the Russian government accessed these mails. There's nothing to suggest that they're the ones who gave Wikileaks access though. It's quite likely that there were multiple parties who had access.

RestlessMind 10y ago

Western intelligence community also converged on the conclusion that Iraq had WMDs. They lost their credibility after that and it will take a long time to regain the trust. Though if you have any other credible source, please share it.

flukus 10y ago
Did they? It seems only the anglosphere countries came to this conclusion and that they were "instructed" to.
badlucklottery 10y ago
>Western intelligence community also converged on the conclusion that Iraq had WMDs Not really. There was a decent amount of dissent in the western intel community on Iraqi WMDs (pretty much everyone not in the "coalition of the willing" and even some within it), it's just that the Bush administration purposefully ignored the dissenters. >Though if you have any other credible source, please share it. If you don't believe the intelligence community can ever be trusted again after Iraq, I don't think there's any source could be enough for you. If the authorities on the subject are in on the conspiracy, then any proof could be just another layer on the conspiracy, right? Turtles all the way down.
- untog 10y ago
  That perspective also makes me wonder: surely we should shut down all intelligence services tomorrow? If their output is deemed to be tainted by Iraq, what's the point in paying for them? Suffice to say, this doesn't seem like a reasonable perspective to me.