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"This cat and mouse game will have no end until they can tap into your brain stem and prevent you from committing these 'crimes' or modify your brain chemistry

"This cat and mouse game will have no end until they can tap into your brain stem and prevent you from committing these 'crimes' or modify your brain chemistry in a way that will make you not yearn for altering your conciousness" As someone that doesn't do any drugs, I'm all for drug legalization. However, there needs to be limits. I should be able to fire someone that is high on the job, for instance. Driving a motor vehicle while under the influence should also be illegal. 'altering your conciousness' can directly harm the people around you and they have the right to not be harmed by your personal choices. "How can we get the government to respect our right to put anything in our body that we want to?" Another issue is health care: Should the government continue to pour tons of money into allowing you to kill yourself with drugs? "I'm kind of rambling, but this is what comes to mind when I see these types of articles." You never mention firearms, which is another primary business on the dark web. Are you also fine with anyone being able to buy a weapon at any time?

FELEG 10y ago
Are you also fine with anyone being able to buy a weapon at any time? Yes.
atom_enger 10y ago
> 'altering your conciousness' can directly harm the people around you and they have the right to not be harmed by your personal choices. I stated clearly "As long as it(drug use) does not hurt others through the production or the consumption or harm the environment". > However, there needs to be limits. I should be able to fire someone that is high on the job, for instance. Driving a motor vehicle while under the influence should also be illegal. If you are the employer, you should absolutely have the right to fire someone for being under the influence during their hours of employment. Driving is the same -- you're putting other people at risk. Not acceptable. > Should the government continue to pour tons of money into allowing you to kill yourself with drugs? The government pours tons of money into fighting the wrong fight at the moment, they're treating the symptom, not the problem. They're inflating law enforcement budgets and eroding our rights every which way to "fight" this battle. I say if they could take that exact same amount of money they're using to "fight" this battle and put it towards healthcare and treatment, then yeah, they should pour tons of money into it. Our current solution isn't working. > You never mention firearms, which is another primary business on the dark web. Are you also fine with anyone being able to buy a weapon at any time? I'm not talking at all about firearms. I'm naive in the sense that I dream about a world without them but I recognize they can be useful tools in certain situations.
- EpicEng 10y ago
  >I stated clearly "As long as it(drug use) does not hurt others through the production or the consumption or harm the environment But... It does. We know that it does. There are classes of drugs which don't lend themselves to responsible use. That problem will remain, and you'll still have the junkies stealing to get high, regardless of where they spend that money. These drugs have a negative societal impact, of course exacerbated by the fact that using them turns you into a criminal. I don't know that e.g. unfettered access to heroin is a good thing. I do know that treatment instead of jail is a good thing.
  - atom_enger 10y ago
    What if a junkie could go to a clinic and get their fix? I'd happily pay more taxes to get junkies their fix. I'd also be happy to pay taxes that would help them seek treatment as well. I'm not at all qualified to propose real solutions to this problem but I know from watching this failed drug war that we should start talking about alternative solutions and the way we do that is start considering other options. I feel like our current solution is hurting us as a whole more than it's helping us.
    - leakybit 10y ago
      Yes, but how do you stop people from becoming junkies in the first place? Opiate addicts already have access to methedone and some countries are looking into giving pharma grade heroin replacement, but these types of addicts are essential lost causes and will always be addicts. I believe sentencing laws/guidelines needs to be reformed, but you have to see it from the governments perceptive. How do you stop people from becoming drug addicts? Legalize the drugs your trying people not to use?
      - girvo 10y ago
        > Opiate addicts already have access to methedone and some countries are looking into giving pharma grade heroin replacement, but these types of addicts are essential lost causes and will always be addicts. I'm a "lost cause"? Thanks. I was a heroin addict from 16 years of age until I was 24. I've been clean for four years now, due to my governments excellent opiate-replacement therapy program. The dehumanisation that happens when people discuss "junkies" makes me sick, and directly contributes to why a lot of us never ask for help.
micaksica 10y ago
> You never mention firearms, which is another primary business on the dark web. Are you also fine with anyone being able to buy a weapon at any time? Yes. In America, this is pretty much how it is. Without a violent criminal record or a restraining order for domestic violence, in a lot of states you can go spend a couple hundred bucks and have yourself a nice handgun. I am curious just how deep the "firearms business" goes on the dark web. I suspect the majority of sellers are not capable of delivering. Most arms dealers on Tor are pretty well known to be scamming people.
- chinese_donald 10y ago
  "Yes. In America, this is pretty much how it is. Without a violent criminal record or a restraining order for domestic violence, in a lot of states you can go spend a couple hundred bucks and have yourself a nice handgun" You must not be from the US or ever tried to get a gun. I can't order a gun through the mail, for instance. It needs to be sent to a regulated dealer and I will have to go through a background check. "I am curious just how deep the "firearms business" goes on the dark web." According to many of the ant-gun advocates in the US, you can just order it online with no checks or problems. But the reality is much different.
pstrateman 10y ago
>I should be able to fire someone that is high on the job, for instance. You can >Driving a motor vehicle while under the influence should also be illegal. It is.
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FELEG 10y ago

Are you also fine with anyone being able to buy a weapon at any time? Yes.

atom_enger 10y ago

> 'altering your conciousness' can directly harm the people around you and they have the right to not be harmed by your personal choices. I stated clearly "As long as it(drug use) does not hurt others through the production or the consumption or harm the environment". > However, there needs to be limits. I should be able to fire someone that is high on the job, for instance. Driving a motor vehicle while under the influence should also be illegal. If you are the employer, you should absolutely have the right to fire someone for being under the influence during their hours of employment. Driving is the same -- you're putting other people at risk. Not acceptable. > Should the government continue to pour tons of money into allowing you to kill yourself with drugs? The government pours tons of money into fighting the wrong fight at the moment, they're treating the symptom, not the problem. They're inflating law enforcement budgets and eroding our rights every which way to "fight" this battle. I say if they could take that exact same amount of money they're using to "fight" this battle and put it towards healthcare and treatment, then yeah, they should pour tons of money into it. Our current solution isn't working. > You never mention firearms, which is another primary business on the dark web. Are you also fine with anyone being able to buy a weapon at any time? I'm not talking at all about firearms. I'm naive in the sense that I dream about a world without them but I recognize they can be useful tools in certain situations.

EpicEng 10y ago
>I stated clearly "As long as it(drug use) does not hurt others through the production or the consumption or harm the environment But... It does. We know that it does. There are classes of drugs which don't lend themselves to responsible use. That problem will remain, and you'll still have the junkies stealing to get high, regardless of where they spend that money. These drugs have a negative societal impact, of course exacerbated by the fact that using them turns you into a criminal. I don't know that e.g. unfettered access to heroin is a good thing. I do know that treatment instead of jail is a good thing.
- atom_enger 10y ago
  What if a junkie could go to a clinic and get their fix? I'd happily pay more taxes to get junkies their fix. I'd also be happy to pay taxes that would help them seek treatment as well. I'm not at all qualified to propose real solutions to this problem but I know from watching this failed drug war that we should start talking about alternative solutions and the way we do that is start considering other options. I feel like our current solution is hurting us as a whole more than it's helping us.
  - leakybit 10y ago
    Yes, but how do you stop people from becoming junkies in the first place? Opiate addicts already have access to methedone and some countries are looking into giving pharma grade heroin replacement, but these types of addicts are essential lost causes and will always be addicts. I believe sentencing laws/guidelines needs to be reformed, but you have to see it from the governments perceptive. How do you stop people from becoming drug addicts? Legalize the drugs your trying people not to use?
    - girvo 10y ago
      > Opiate addicts already have access to methedone and some countries are looking into giving pharma grade heroin replacement, but these types of addicts are essential lost causes and will always be addicts. I'm a "lost cause"? Thanks. I was a heroin addict from 16 years of age until I was 24. I've been clean for four years now, due to my governments excellent opiate-replacement therapy program. The dehumanisation that happens when people discuss "junkies" makes me sick, and directly contributes to why a lot of us never ask for help.

micaksica 10y ago

> You never mention firearms, which is another primary business on the dark web. Are you also fine with anyone being able to buy a weapon at any time? Yes. In America, this is pretty much how it is. Without a violent criminal record or a restraining order for domestic violence, in a lot of states you can go spend a couple hundred bucks and have yourself a nice handgun. I am curious just how deep the "firearms business" goes on the dark web. I suspect the majority of sellers are not capable of delivering. Most arms dealers on Tor are pretty well known to be scamming people.

chinese_donald 10y ago
"Yes. In America, this is pretty much how it is. Without a violent criminal record or a restraining order for domestic violence, in a lot of states you can go spend a couple hundred bucks and have yourself a nice handgun" You must not be from the US or ever tried to get a gun. I can't order a gun through the mail, for instance. It needs to be sent to a regulated dealer and I will have to go through a background check. "I am curious just how deep the "firearms business" goes on the dark web." According to many of the ant-gun advocates in the US, you can just order it online with no checks or problems. But the reality is much different.

pstrateman 10y ago

>I should be able to fire someone that is high on the job, for instance. You can >Driving a motor vehicle while under the influence should also be illegal. It is.

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