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-_- Donald Trump called Mexicans rapists. The KKK endorses him, the American Nazi Party is stoked on him. Steven Bannon is going to be his "Strategist". He's o

-_- Donald Trump called Mexicans rapists. The KKK endorses him, the American Nazi Party is stoked on him. Steven Bannon is going to be his "Strategist". He's on tape talking about molesting women. Many women have come forward and accused him of trying to or having molested them. Have you ever talked to his supporters about race?

imaginenore 10y ago
"Mexican" is not a race. He didn't call all Mexicans rapists. He doesn't control the KKK, nor the Nazi Party. He is not on tape talking about molesting women, I've listened to the recording, and it's about grabbing the women who let him, which is consensual by definition. And yes, women have accused him, but women also accused Duke lacrosse team. Famous people often get accused with zero evidence. Notice that NONE of the women who accused him went to the police and filed the charges. So every single thing you wrote, besides Bannon, is either a lie or is out of his control. I don't know much about Bannon to judge either way, so won't comment on it. Have you ever talked to the left supporters yourself? They are the most racist group I've ever met. Youtube is full of SJWs blaming white people for all the problems, only because they are white. The are now protesting and writing things like "Kill all the whites" on the walls. That's exactly what made me distance myself from the left. And just to clarify, I don't support Trump, I don't like him, but for much different reasons than your made up ones.
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  He didn't call all Mexicans rapists. Right, only (an apparently large portion of) Mexican immigrants: When Trump declared himself a Republican candidate for president last month, he warned that the U.S. is becoming a "dumping ground" for the world's problems. "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said. "They're sending people that have lots of problems...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  I've listened to the recording, and it's about grabbing the women who let him, which is consensual by definition. In isolation, his now-famous remarks ("You can do anything you want with them; you can grab them by the p---y") could perhaps be read that way. But taken together with multiple, overlapping statements from women asserting that he did exactly that to them, and in a clearly non-consensual fashion -- these statements take on a different character. And yes, women have accused him, but women also accused Duke lacrosse team. Allegations from a single individual (as per the Duke case) are one thing. Allegations from 15+ individuals describing a consistent pattern of behavior over several years are quite another matter.
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  So much qualifying. To say "Some good ones" means most are not - this is obvious. Endorsement by Nazis and the KKK should be humiliating and a red flag that you're saying something very wrong. Again obvious. And abusing women under your supervision - as in employees or contestants whose future you hold in your hands - is harassment and actionable. No need to fudge about 'was it consent' - it was the boss abusing the underling, and it was wrong. No doubt about that. I think folks have a fantasy about this guy, because of his alpha-male manners and outrageous statements. No amount of obvious wrongdoing will puncture that fantasy - folks just explain it away. And the explanations get weaker and lamer.
- devsquid 10y ago
  This type of arguments get so tiring: ""Mexican" is not a race." Sure, but if I say all British are drunks, you aren't going to correct me and say oh I think you meant to say "Anglo-Saxons". The quote “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” Getting over the fact that the quote seems to say Mexico itself is actively "sending" its people to the US. He said the Mexican people immigrating to the US are "mostly" rapists. Am I misquoting him? "is either a lie", "for much different reasons than your made up ones." where am I lying? Whats crazy is how often people want to debate these points... This year has been strawmen all the way down.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > "Mexican" is not a race. Yes, it is "a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock". [0] It's not one of the arbitrarily-defined classical races (negroid, caucusoid, mongoloid) or one of those recognized as a "race" by the US census (which uses the classic races essentially, with new names, plus a new one for indigenous people of North America.) [0] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race[3] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race[3]
  - imaginenore 10y ago
    Word games begin. For most people race is white / Asian / black / other. You see something like that on every application form asking about race. I've never seen "Mexican" as an answer to the race question. http://mortgageporter.com/images/old/6a00d834522f5769e20133f6172144970b-pi.png http://mortgageporter.com/images/old/6a00d834522f5769e20133f... http://lensnola.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/fact-sheet-detail.png http://lensnola.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2... The term you're looking for is not "racist", but "nationalist". You could probably call Trump that, though I don't think he made any statements about all of Mexicans, most of his drivel is about the illegal immigrants coming from Mexico.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      No, bigotry based on nationality is called "racism", based on the broader definition of race that the one used on census forms already referenced upthread; this usage is well-established. "Nationalism" means something different, and not inherently bigoted, though nationalism is often accompanied by racism, and some "brands" of nationalism are quite racist (e.g., the white nationalism of Steve Bannon, Trump's new Chief Strategist.)

imaginenore 10y ago

"Mexican" is not a race. He didn't call all Mexicans rapists. He doesn't control the KKK, nor the Nazi Party. He is not on tape talking about molesting women, I've listened to the recording, and it's about grabbing the women who let him, which is consensual by definition. And yes, women have accused him, but women also accused Duke lacrosse team. Famous people often get accused with zero evidence. Notice that NONE of the women who accused him went to the police and filed the charges. So every single thing you wrote, besides Bannon, is either a lie or is out of his control. I don't know much about Bannon to judge either way, so won't comment on it. Have you ever talked to the left supporters yourself? They are the most racist group I've ever met. Youtube is full of SJWs blaming white people for all the problems, only because they are white. The are now protesting and writing things like "Kill all the whites" on the walls. That's exactly what made me distance myself from the left. And just to clarify, I don't support Trump, I don't like him, but for much different reasons than your made up ones.

kafkaesq 10y ago
He didn't call all Mexicans rapists. Right, only (an apparently large portion of) Mexican immigrants: When Trump declared himself a Republican candidate for president last month, he warned that the U.S. is becoming a "dumping ground" for the world's problems. "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said. "They're sending people that have lots of problems...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
kafkaesq 10y ago
I've listened to the recording, and it's about grabbing the women who let him, which is consensual by definition. In isolation, his now-famous remarks ("You can do anything you want with them; you can grab them by the p---y") could perhaps be read that way. But taken together with multiple, overlapping statements from women asserting that he did exactly that to them, and in a clearly non-consensual fashion -- these statements take on a different character. And yes, women have accused him, but women also accused Duke lacrosse team. Allegations from a single individual (as per the Duke case) are one thing. Allegations from 15+ individuals describing a consistent pattern of behavior over several years are quite another matter.
JoeAltmaier 10y ago
So much qualifying. To say "Some good ones" means most are not - this is obvious. Endorsement by Nazis and the KKK should be humiliating and a red flag that you're saying something very wrong. Again obvious. And abusing women under your supervision - as in employees or contestants whose future you hold in your hands - is harassment and actionable. No need to fudge about 'was it consent' - it was the boss abusing the underling, and it was wrong. No doubt about that. I think folks have a fantasy about this guy, because of his alpha-male manners and outrageous statements. No amount of obvious wrongdoing will puncture that fantasy - folks just explain it away. And the explanations get weaker and lamer.
devsquid 10y ago
This type of arguments get so tiring: ""Mexican" is not a race." Sure, but if I say all British are drunks, you aren't going to correct me and say oh I think you meant to say "Anglo-Saxons". The quote “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” Getting over the fact that the quote seems to say Mexico itself is actively "sending" its people to the US. He said the Mexican people immigrating to the US are "mostly" rapists. Am I misquoting him? "is either a lie", "for much different reasons than your made up ones." where am I lying? Whats crazy is how often people want to debate these points... This year has been strawmen all the way down.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> "Mexican" is not a race. Yes, it is "a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock". [0] It's not one of the arbitrarily-defined classical races (negroid, caucusoid, mongoloid) or one of those recognized as a "race" by the US census (which uses the classic races essentially, with new names, plus a new one for indigenous people of North America.) [0] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race[3] http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race[3]
- imaginenore 10y ago
  Word games begin. For most people race is white / Asian / black / other. You see something like that on every application form asking about race. I've never seen "Mexican" as an answer to the race question. http://mortgageporter.com/images/old/6a00d834522f5769e20133f6172144970b-pi.png http://mortgageporter.com/images/old/6a00d834522f5769e20133f... http://lensnola.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/fact-sheet-detail.png http://lensnola.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2... The term you're looking for is not "racist", but "nationalist". You could probably call Trump that, though I don't think he made any statements about all of Mexicans, most of his drivel is about the illegal immigrants coming from Mexico.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    No, bigotry based on nationality is called "racism", based on the broader definition of race that the one used on census forms already referenced upthread; this usage is well-established. "Nationalism" means something different, and not inherently bigoted, though nationalism is often accompanied by racism, and some "brands" of nationalism are quite racist (e.g., the white nationalism of Steve Bannon, Trump's new Chief Strategist.)