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Yeah, fuck democracy. Just do whatever you want to shared resources. Gotta look out for number 1! /s
by hiou 10y ago
Yeah, fuck democracy. Just do whatever you want to shared resources. Gotta look out for number 1! /s
- TulliusCicero 10y agoI mean, in the primary example given, the bike lane already existed, they just upgraded it. Personally I'd say it's more of a reaction to the often glacial pace of government action. Cities like SF, Seattle, and NYC have embraced Vision Zero's safety-oriented goals in theory, but are moving very slowly indeed to meet them. These groups are actually helping the city meet their own self-imposed targets. How does that translate to "fuck democracy"? More like "fuck overly bureaucratic processes" if anything.
- mc32 10y agoI totally agree with your, take, but I'd hedge it and say that if these cities did not enact vision-0, these tactics would occur regardless of tacit approval or explicit intention by gov. Guerrilla implies it's not seeking govt (or broadly popular for that matter) approval.
- TulliusCicero 10y agoThey might still do it, but then in that case the accusation of them being undemocratic would be accurate.
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- Spooky23 10y agoIt's more like.... New street features that don't have an engineer's stamp and may not be compliant with any of a thousand regulations? Time to fucking sue.
- nothrabannosir 10y agos/democracy/bureaucracy/
- brandur 10y agoTo be clear, in all the projects that I've seen by the SFMTrA, the crosswalks or bikelanes already existed—both physically and legally—but their usability was/is extremely compromised due to fundamentally lacking infrastructure and very minimal enforcement of moving violations in San Francisco. Like Tullius mentions, these are improvements that should have been installed by the government (and may be eventually), but which aren't due to incredibly untimely bureaucratic processes.
- mmanfrin 10y agoI really don't see how you get the improvement of lacking bureaucracy as an affront to democracy.
- refurb 10y agoI've seen the SFMTA response to these changes and I have a lot of sympathy for them going in and removing them. There are a ton of laws and regulations around how road markings, etc can be changed and the SFMTA has no option other than to follow those laws. Maybe the guerrilla group should try and tackle some of the regulations and laws rather than point the finger at the SFMTA?
- rhizome 10y agoThat's the SF Bike Coalition's purpose.
- sctb 10y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12953625 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12953625 and marked it off-topic.
- discordance 10y agoCivil disobedience is an important part of democracy
- vidoc 10y agoExactly, if that kind of stuff is OK, then I'd like to make a public call to improve Cesar Chavez St for cars, as the last 'improvement' SFMTA did over there actually transformed the street in a parking lot! :)