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If the news said this person murders puppies for fun, most people would close their mind to the possibility of voting for them.

ThomPete 10y ago
I am assuming we are having this discussion on a more elevated level that obvious absurdities. But even if you want to go down that road that I am pretty sure that there would be plenty of self correction happening unless you decided to stay isolated from the rest of the world right after you read that. Thats obviously not whats happening at all.
- dougmany 10y ago
  So what is the middle ground between these two absurdities? Parent said it does not matter. I am saying it is possible that it does matter.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    It doesn't matter _enough_. You have any sources what so ever that proves that misinformation actually made Trump president?
    - splawn 10y ago
      Forgive me if I am wrong... but didn't his political momentum mainly start with his very public lead role in the "birther movement"? "Global Warming is a Chinese Hoax" "Ted Cruiz's father killed JFK" "Obama and Hillary founded ISIS" Is it even possible to separate that man from misinformation? Edit: I have anecdotal "evidence" that some of his voters where swayed by this stuff from conversations I have had with Trump supporters. While that isn't enough to make the claim that misinformation is the sole cause of his election (a claim btw, that I have not seen made on this thread.. you are the one that brought it up), it does show me that its impact was greater than 0.
      - ThomPete 10y ago
        Impact great than 0 does not mean it's enough. You forget that people gravitate towards what they believe in already. They aren't sitting there evaluation who to believe in based on the facts out there.
        splawn 10y ago
        >Impact great than 0 does not mean it's enough. I agree, but it doesn't discount it either, it simply means greater than 0. Its not enough to draw a conclusion from which is why I haven't. My only claim is that critical thinking would lessen the non-zero impact.

ThomPete 10y ago

I am assuming we are having this discussion on a more elevated level that obvious absurdities. But even if you want to go down that road that I am pretty sure that there would be plenty of self correction happening unless you decided to stay isolated from the rest of the world right after you read that. Thats obviously not whats happening at all.

dougmany 10y ago
So what is the middle ground between these two absurdities? Parent said it does not matter. I am saying it is possible that it does matter.
- ThomPete 10y ago
  It doesn't matter _enough_. You have any sources what so ever that proves that misinformation actually made Trump president?
  - splawn 10y ago
    Forgive me if I am wrong... but didn't his political momentum mainly start with his very public lead role in the "birther movement"? "Global Warming is a Chinese Hoax" "Ted Cruiz's father killed JFK" "Obama and Hillary founded ISIS" Is it even possible to separate that man from misinformation? Edit: I have anecdotal "evidence" that some of his voters where swayed by this stuff from conversations I have had with Trump supporters. While that isn't enough to make the claim that misinformation is the sole cause of his election (a claim btw, that I have not seen made on this thread.. you are the one that brought it up), it does show me that its impact was greater than 0.
    - ThomPete 10y ago
      Impact great than 0 does not mean it's enough. You forget that people gravitate towards what they believe in already. They aren't sitting there evaluation who to believe in based on the facts out there.
      - splawn 10y ago
        >Impact great than 0 does not mean it's enough. I agree, but it doesn't discount it either, it simply means greater than 0. Its not enough to draw a conclusion from which is why I haven't. My only claim is that critical thinking would lessen the non-zero impact.