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Trump Won Because Leftist Political Correctness Inspired a Terrifying Backlash

12 points by dthal 10y ago

SpikeDad 10y ago
In other words people voted for Trump because he's an asshole that resonated with themselves being assholes. It's so much less worrisome on the conscience when your President is also an amoral, racist, misogynistic liar.
- lightbyte 10y ago
  Seriously, these excuses the right have been using for why he won are just ridiculous. "How dare you call me a bigot, I'll prove you wrong by voting for a bigot! Now look what you did!"
  - rhapsodic 10y ago
    Why would the right need to offer "excuses" for Trump's victory? And you seem to think that if some smug leftist calls someone a bigot, it's incumbent upon them to "prove" to the smug leftist that they're not. That's some rather odd logic.
  - devsquid 10y ago
    Yea I always thought that was ironic. Because "right-wing" people keeps pointing out times where individuals get "triggered" by someone saying something. IE a person's feelings got hurt when someone made fun of them for something important to them. If someone DARES point out that that comment was bigoted the "right-winged" person gets soooo triggered. I've watched whole you-tube videos of a guy being made someone called him racist after he said a racist thing... The right is a very angry place right now.
- imaginenore 10y ago
  What's your evidence of him being a racist? I feel like this exact attitude of shouting "racist!" whenever something doesn't go your way is what drove white men and women away from the left. I've been left-leaning my whole life, and the last few years have been disappointing, I no longer associate myself with the left, at least the American flavor of it.
  - devsquid 10y ago
    -_- Donald Trump called Mexicans rapists. The KKK endorses him, the American Nazi Party is stoked on him. Steven Bannon is going to be his "Strategist". He's on tape talking about molesting women. Many women have come forward and accused him of trying to or having molested them. Have you ever talked to his supporters about race?
    - imaginenore 10y ago
      "Mexican" is not a race. He didn't call all Mexicans rapists. He doesn't control the KKK, nor the Nazi Party. He is not on tape talking about molesting women, I've listened to the recording, and it's about grabbing the women who let him, which is consensual by definition. And yes, women have accused him, but women also accused Duke lacrosse team. Famous people often get accused with zero evidence. Notice that NONE of the women who accused him went to the police and filed the charges. So every single thing you wrote, besides Bannon, is either a lie or is out of his control. I don't know much about Bannon to judge either way, so won't comment on it. Have you ever talked to the left supporters yourself? They are the most racist group I've ever met. Youtube is full of SJWs blaming white people for all the problems, only because they are white. The are now protesting and writing things like "Kill all the whites" on the walls. That's exactly what made me distance myself from the left. And just to clarify, I don't support Trump, I don't like him, but for much different reasons than your made up ones.
      - kafkaesq 10y ago
        He didn't call all Mexicans rapists. Right, only (an apparently large portion of) Mexican immigrants: When Trump declared himself a Republican candidate for president last month, he warned that the U.S. is becoming a "dumping ground" for the world's problems. "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said. "They're sending people that have lots of problems...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
      - kafkaesq 10y ago
        I've listened to the recording, and it's about grabbing the women who let him, which is consensual by definition. In isolation, his now-famous remarks ("You can do anything you want with them; you can grab them by the p---y") could perhaps be read that way. But taken together with multiple, overlapping statements from women asserting that he did exactly that to them, and in a clearly non-consensual fashion -- these statements take on a different character. And yes, women have accused him, but women also accused Duke lacrosse team. Allegations from a single individual (as per the Duke case) are one thing. Allegations from 15+ individuals describing a consistent pattern of behavior over several years are quite another matter.
devsquid 10y ago
Lol people keep talking as if Trump has some landslide victory and massive voter turn out. So far he's accumulated less votes than Mitt Romney in 2012.
- imaginenore 10y ago
  That's not the point. It was supposed to be a very easy win for Hillary. Almost every serious forecast said so, almost every poll said so.
  - devsquid 10y ago
    Argument in the post was pretty weak. My point was the election was very close. Personally I didn't find it surprising Trump won. I know a lot of older people that were all in. It was shocking to see the change in rhetoric this year. Instead of debating traditional topics of economics etc, I dealt with a bombardment of videos/memes/etc that were either obviously fake or obviously strawman arguments. I know some conservative kids my age, most of them wanted nothing to do with Donald Trump. The ones that did, started calling themselves "nationalist" and talking as if they were apart of some great "race war". It was insane. It saddens me to see the older generation sell my future because their fear of brown people and their inability to determine whats BS spam links.
    - imaginenore 10y ago
      What's with the ageist discrimination? Old people are people too. 4 years of presidency is not going to sell anyone's future. The worst that will happen, not counting a nuclear war, is 1) more gas/oil/coal gets mined, driving the prices down, and making the renewables unattractive. 2) increased CO2 emissions due to cheaper gas/oil/coal. 3) make the rich richer, everyone else poorer, which has been happening for decades in the US Neither of these are particularly scary, it just sets the humanity a few years back, but maybe will force us to come up with some technological solutions to fight CO2 and other climate change issues. Stop being so alarmist, he won fair, it's his turn to drive the bus. I don't like him, but things don't always go our way.
kendallgclark 10y ago
What a weird coincidence that a very close election was lost because of the writer's pre-existing hobby horse.
TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
Everyone is talking passed each other.
throwaway4891a 10y ago
Gad Saad and Jonathan Haidt bring sensibility to causes and effects of the Karpman drama triangle that displaced actual, past revolutionary action on college campuses / social sciences with mostly an imposter, going through the motions but stuck bikeshedding (i.e., microaggressions, SJWing) rather than attacking major social problems. There's also helicopter parenting, lack of movement leadership, fall of SFDS, extended adolescence, for-profit universities catering to student whims and other aspects which compound the situation. Critical thinking skills, respectful debate without onerous preconditions (i.e., demanding apologies/subservience) and proportionality of response could be emphasized more in education. See also: - "ABOLISH ALL SCIENCE 'COS ITS RACIST! -SJW University Student" https://youtu.be/1i80qaETtw8 https://youtu.be/1i80qaETtw8 - "Yale University Students Protest Halloween Costume Email (VIDEO 3)" https://youtu.be/9IEFD_JVYd0 https://youtu.be/9IEFD_JVYd0 - http://www.ted.com/speakers/jonathan_haidt http://www.ted.com/speakers/jonathan_haidt - https://www.youtube.com/gadsaad https://www.youtube.com/gadsaad

12 points by dthal 10y ago

In other words people voted for Trump because he's an asshole that resonated with themselves being assholes. It's so much less worrisome on the conscience when your President is also an amoral, racist, misogynistic liar.

lightbyte 10y ago
Seriously, these excuses the right have been using for why he won are just ridiculous. "How dare you call me a bigot, I'll prove you wrong by voting for a bigot! Now look what you did!"
- rhapsodic 10y ago
  Why would the right need to offer "excuses" for Trump's victory? And you seem to think that if some smug leftist calls someone a bigot, it's incumbent upon them to "prove" to the smug leftist that they're not. That's some rather odd logic.
- devsquid 10y ago
  Yea I always thought that was ironic. Because "right-wing" people keeps pointing out times where individuals get "triggered" by someone saying something. IE a person's feelings got hurt when someone made fun of them for something important to them. If someone DARES point out that that comment was bigoted the "right-winged" person gets soooo triggered. I've watched whole you-tube videos of a guy being made someone called him racist after he said a racist thing... The right is a very angry place right now.
imaginenore 10y ago
What's your evidence of him being a racist? I feel like this exact attitude of shouting "racist!" whenever something doesn't go your way is what drove white men and women away from the left. I've been left-leaning my whole life, and the last few years have been disappointing, I no longer associate myself with the left, at least the American flavor of it.
- devsquid 10y ago
  -_- Donald Trump called Mexicans rapists. The KKK endorses him, the American Nazi Party is stoked on him. Steven Bannon is going to be his "Strategist". He's on tape talking about molesting women. Many women have come forward and accused him of trying to or having molested them. Have you ever talked to his supporters about race?
  - imaginenore 10y ago
    "Mexican" is not a race. He didn't call all Mexicans rapists. He doesn't control the KKK, nor the Nazi Party. He is not on tape talking about molesting women, I've listened to the recording, and it's about grabbing the women who let him, which is consensual by definition. And yes, women have accused him, but women also accused Duke lacrosse team. Famous people often get accused with zero evidence. Notice that NONE of the women who accused him went to the police and filed the charges. So every single thing you wrote, besides Bannon, is either a lie or is out of his control. I don't know much about Bannon to judge either way, so won't comment on it. Have you ever talked to the left supporters yourself? They are the most racist group I've ever met. Youtube is full of SJWs blaming white people for all the problems, only because they are white. The are now protesting and writing things like "Kill all the whites" on the walls. That's exactly what made me distance myself from the left. And just to clarify, I don't support Trump, I don't like him, but for much different reasons than your made up ones.
    - kafkaesq 10y ago
      He didn't call all Mexicans rapists. Right, only (an apparently large portion of) Mexican immigrants: When Trump declared himself a Republican candidate for president last month, he warned that the U.S. is becoming a "dumping ground" for the world's problems. "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said. "They're sending people that have lots of problems...they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
    - kafkaesq 10y ago
      I've listened to the recording, and it's about grabbing the women who let him, which is consensual by definition. In isolation, his now-famous remarks ("You can do anything you want with them; you can grab them by the p---y") could perhaps be read that way. But taken together with multiple, overlapping statements from women asserting that he did exactly that to them, and in a clearly non-consensual fashion -- these statements take on a different character. And yes, women have accused him, but women also accused Duke lacrosse team. Allegations from a single individual (as per the Duke case) are one thing. Allegations from 15+ individuals describing a consistent pattern of behavior over several years are quite another matter.

devsquid 10y ago

Lol people keep talking as if Trump has some landslide victory and massive voter turn out. So far he's accumulated less votes than Mitt Romney in 2012.

imaginenore 10y ago
That's not the point. It was supposed to be a very easy win for Hillary. Almost every serious forecast said so, almost every poll said so.
- devsquid 10y ago
  Argument in the post was pretty weak. My point was the election was very close. Personally I didn't find it surprising Trump won. I know a lot of older people that were all in. It was shocking to see the change in rhetoric this year. Instead of debating traditional topics of economics etc, I dealt with a bombardment of videos/memes/etc that were either obviously fake or obviously strawman arguments. I know some conservative kids my age, most of them wanted nothing to do with Donald Trump. The ones that did, started calling themselves "nationalist" and talking as if they were apart of some great "race war". It was insane. It saddens me to see the older generation sell my future because their fear of brown people and their inability to determine whats BS spam links.
  - imaginenore 10y ago
    What's with the ageist discrimination? Old people are people too. 4 years of presidency is not going to sell anyone's future. The worst that will happen, not counting a nuclear war, is 1) more gas/oil/coal gets mined, driving the prices down, and making the renewables unattractive. 2) increased CO2 emissions due to cheaper gas/oil/coal. 3) make the rich richer, everyone else poorer, which has been happening for decades in the US Neither of these are particularly scary, it just sets the humanity a few years back, but maybe will force us to come up with some technological solutions to fight CO2 and other climate change issues. Stop being so alarmist, he won fair, it's his turn to drive the bus. I don't like him, but things don't always go our way.

kendallgclark 10y ago

What a weird coincidence that a very close election was lost because of the writer's pre-existing hobby horse.

TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago

Everyone is talking passed each other.

throwaway4891a 10y ago

Gad Saad and Jonathan Haidt bring sensibility to causes and effects of the Karpman drama triangle that displaced actual, past revolutionary action on college campuses / social sciences with mostly an imposter, going through the motions but stuck bikeshedding (i.e., microaggressions, SJWing) rather than attacking major social problems. There's also helicopter parenting, lack of movement leadership, fall of SFDS, extended adolescence, for-profit universities catering to student whims and other aspects which compound the situation. Critical thinking skills, respectful debate without onerous preconditions (i.e., demanding apologies/subservience) and proportionality of response could be emphasized more in education. See also: - "ABOLISH ALL SCIENCE 'COS ITS RACIST! -SJW University Student" https://youtu.be/1i80qaETtw8 https://youtu.be/1i80qaETtw8 - "Yale University Students Protest Halloween Costume Email (VIDEO 3)" https://youtu.be/9IEFD_JVYd0 https://youtu.be/9IEFD_JVYd0 - http://www.ted.com/speakers/jonathan_haidt http://www.ted.com/speakers/jonathan_haidt - https://www.youtube.com/gadsaad https://www.youtube.com/gadsaad