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You mentioned "projects" (plural) and the way I have it setup is pretty similar to those recommending an LLC (or S-Corp) in CA. While the annual cost of $800 m
by chrisgoman 10y ago
You mentioned "projects" (plural) and the way I have it setup is pretty similar to those recommending an LLC (or S-Corp) in CA.
While the annual cost of $800 minimum tax plus maybe another $500 in administrative fees (accountants, legal, etc.) is real money spent, you can make it back in tax deductions and potential liability. If you have a structure in place (another entity that is not you personally), it is much easier to deduct expenses (less red flags) IF you make an attempt to actually generate income -- the government cannot stop you from being a bad business person :)
If you are in a 50% tax bracket, this could easily be offset by $3000 in expenses such as hosting fees, domain names, costco membership, cell phone, even your car lease. If you are renting, you can possibly deduct some portion (~20%) of your rent (do not do this if you own a house). Get a separate bank account + debit card, a separate credit card (maybe a business one with rewards) and pay everything using that entity. You will end up making "owner contribution" from your personal bank account to your business account every month.
The extra wrinkle if you have multiple projects is that you can further separate your different projects into "DBA"s (Doing Business As) which costs an extra $100/yr (County Clerk Recorder, Publish in Magazine, separate bank account, credit card, domain name) 100% owned by your LLC (or S-Corp). If you shut down a DBA, it will cost maybe another $50. You will need a DBA to open a bank account under that name.
While this may look like overkill, this keeps everything clean and if your side project does take off, you will have some history with the business.
On a day-to-day basis, what I usually end up doing is setting aside a day to deal with all these entities. Most bills are on each "company" credit card and I call all the credit card companies to align the closing date. For example, all my credit cards close around the 22nd or 23rd of every month. On the 12th of every month, I pull up each account and pay them all using one screen of online billpay if you have all your business accounts tied together using your SSN.
Note: I have other companies that are their own entity as they are generating income & have other partners. The setup here is specifically just for my side projects.
- brazzledazzle 10y agoIf I recall correctly there are strict limitations on counting your car, cell phone and rent as business expenses and they require extensive amounts of documentation. I don't know how much they enforce these days since everyone and their brother is hustling a pyramid scheme business but I would research it first. Getting audited without reliable mileage logs, phone records in your favor and a measurable separation between your personal living space and your work area (like a door) could result in being stuck with a tax bill for back taxes.
- chrisgoman 10y agoYou are correct, there are very strict rules so you do need to make an attempt at making money (the definition of a "business"). If you are actually making a profit (thereby paying taxes for your business entity "the LLC"), then it makes it much easier. Now that I think about it, I think I end up paying my accountant/tax firm about $30k/year mostly for tax returns (I do most of the accounting myself in Xero)
- brazzledazzle 10y agoWow, that's quite an accounting bill. If that's for a small-to-medium size business do you mind if I ask why it's so much? I've heard good things about Xero, are you happy with it?