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I really wish a group of really smart dev get together and come up with a new language based just on the modern C++. Perhaps even call it MC++ (Modern C++). Mak

I really wish a group of really smart dev get together and come up with a new language based just on the modern C++. Perhaps even call it MC++ (Modern C++). Make it's syntax as simple and easy to learn as Python and yet give us the performance close to the compiled C++. I'd take that knowing very well that I can't do all the powerful stuff I could with C, yet I have a safe and idiot-proof language to work with in my hands.

gregorburger 10y ago
Rust?
- reacharavindh 10y ago
  A very heavily biased rookie response. Not trying to be snarky. Rust would be an obvious choice for what I described. It's been on my personal list for a while to learn Rust and make use of it. I think I will pretty soon. I've been demotivated (to start) by reading over here on HN or elsewhere about how much of a learning curve it is to learn Rust. Perhaps, it was the bias that I already know what C++ was like in terms of syntax and idioms that made me ask for a choice with least friction.
  - leshow 10y ago
    You know c++ but you're worried about the complexity of Rust? I'm mostly a front-end software engineer and I got along just fine with Rust.
  - pcwalton 10y ago
    > I've been demotivated (to start) by reading over here on HN or elsewhere about how much of a learning curve it is to learn Rust. That learning curve is necessary for safety. If you want a safe C++-like language without Rust's learning curve, you either (1) have a brilliant solution nobody has come up with yet or (2) don't actually want a safe language after all.
- piotrjurkiewicz 10y ago
  I think it does not meet this requirement: > Make it's syntax as simple and easy to learn as Python
beagle3 10y ago
Nim is closer to that ideal than Rust, I think; Rust requires provable object ownership that doesn't go bad, Nim uses an (optional, but strongly suggested) GC. Nim's syntax is mostly pythonic, and it's metaproramming language is Nim (unlike C++'s abominable template metaprogramming language).
- nimmer 10y ago
  ...and it compiles to C to leverage its speed and portability and it can use system libraries very easily.
RotsiserMho 10y ago
Swift?
pcwalton 10y ago
Do you want it to be safe? Modern C++ is not safe. If you want it to be safe, you will basically be reinventing Rust.
lotu 10y ago
To replace C++ it you would either have to make a near human quality automated converter (which is likely impossible right now) or make it compatiable with C++, in the way Groovy is compatiable with java.
- vorg 10y ago
  A better example is the way C++ was compatible with C when it first came out. Apache Groovy has lots of little incompatibilities with Java, e.g. == has a different meaning in many cases.

gregorburger 10y ago

Rust?

reacharavindh 10y ago
A very heavily biased rookie response. Not trying to be snarky. Rust would be an obvious choice for what I described. It's been on my personal list for a while to learn Rust and make use of it. I think I will pretty soon. I've been demotivated (to start) by reading over here on HN or elsewhere about how much of a learning curve it is to learn Rust. Perhaps, it was the bias that I already know what C++ was like in terms of syntax and idioms that made me ask for a choice with least friction.
- leshow 10y ago
  You know c++ but you're worried about the complexity of Rust? I'm mostly a front-end software engineer and I got along just fine with Rust.
- pcwalton 10y ago
  > I've been demotivated (to start) by reading over here on HN or elsewhere about how much of a learning curve it is to learn Rust. That learning curve is necessary for safety. If you want a safe C++-like language without Rust's learning curve, you either (1) have a brilliant solution nobody has come up with yet or (2) don't actually want a safe language after all.
piotrjurkiewicz 10y ago
I think it does not meet this requirement: > Make it's syntax as simple and easy to learn as Python

beagle3 10y ago

Nim is closer to that ideal than Rust, I think; Rust requires provable object ownership that doesn't go bad, Nim uses an (optional, but strongly suggested) GC. Nim's syntax is mostly pythonic, and it's metaproramming language is Nim (unlike C++'s abominable template metaprogramming language).

nimmer 10y ago
...and it compiles to C to leverage its speed and portability and it can use system libraries very easily.

RotsiserMho 10y ago

Swift?

pcwalton 10y ago

Do you want it to be safe? Modern C++ is not safe. If you want it to be safe, you will basically be reinventing Rust.

lotu 10y ago

To replace C++ it you would either have to make a near human quality automated converter (which is likely impossible right now) or make it compatiable with C++, in the way Groovy is compatiable with java.

vorg 10y ago
A better example is the way C++ was compatible with C when it first came out. Apache Groovy has lots of little incompatibilities with Java, e.g. == has a different meaning in many cases.